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Learning English as a foreign language.
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route3south
Posted 2008-05-18 9:51 AM (#13382)
Subject: Learning English as a foreign language.


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I will be seeing some government education
representatives next week concerning
language teaching in UK.

Has anyone got any constructive
suggestions as to how it could be
improved/developed they would like
included in the discussion?

TonyH
Posted 2008-05-19 8:38 AM (#13385 - in reply to #13382)
Subject: RE: Learning English as a foreign language.


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do you see a problem with it then ?
kirrie
Posted 2008-05-19 1:32 PM (#13390 - in reply to #13382)
Subject: RE: Learning English as a foreign language.


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Hi there.

Based on my wife's experience at Aberdeen College where she did a nationally recognised course for speakers of Englsh as a second language, I would say they need to change the emphasis of the teaching.

There was a huge emphasis placed on perfectly correct grammar, stuff that I wasn't taught back in the 60's and 70's let alone the dummed down version taught these days! Irina already had a good grasp of grammar and needed far more emphasis on the practical day to day use of Englsh and the correct pronumciation of words. In particular, the application of words which sound and/or are spelled the same, but have different meanings and words which are spelled differently, but which sound the same.

Regards
Eric

adamhaynes
Posted 2008-05-23 7:08 PM (#13417 - in reply to #13382)
Subject: RE: Learning English as a foreign language.
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Having been a teacher of English as a foreign language teacher in the past, indeed to many Russians, I found that while grammar is important, constant banging on about it does very little to improve someone's English. They need to hear English in real situations, and indeed hear how 'real' English sounds. Of course it's important to teach correct English, but teaching someone the phrase "Oh pardon me sir, do you happen to know the direction of the railway station?" (as many books will do) is really not much use when you're more likely to hear "Sorry mate, any idea where the station is?". Maybe an exaggeration I know. I found learners were far more interested in learning the English spoken by English speakers, than the English as seen in a textbook. In many cases, adult learners of English already have a good grammar, what they lack is the rest - the vocabulary and context. And practice, of course.

TonyH
Posted 2008-05-23 8:36 PM (#13419 - in reply to #13382)
Subject: RE: Learning English as a foreign language.


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to add you won't learn that English in a class room or sat at home .....
Malcolm
Posted 2008-05-23 8:38 PM (#13420 - in reply to #13419)
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Or Russian either
route3south
Posted 2008-05-23 11:26 PM (#13425 - in reply to #13417)
Subject: RE: Learning English as a foreign language.


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Point taken!
………..illiterate in your own language….
………..illiterate in a foreign language..
………..and visa versa!

How can we make it better for those
who will come after us?
TonyH
Posted 2008-05-24 8:09 PM (#13435 - in reply to #13382)
Subject: RE: Learning English as a foreign language.


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guess it depends on what you want to achieve in the end....regardless of the courses available there is nothing to replace personal motivation to learn.

CDG
Posted 2010-05-17 7:15 PM (#34015 - in reply to #13435)
Subject: Re: Learning English as a foreign language.
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I can't seen to find when I asked this before where the discussion has vanished too.

But can anyone re-confirm what type of course a Russian person would attend to learn English in the UK? How many days per week and hours and what sort of price?

I'm sure some of you must have had your partners attend such a course, trying to put my fiancees mind at ease for later on this year.

Cheers.
Mel
Posted 2010-05-17 9:29 PM (#34024 - in reply to #34015)
Subject: Re: Learning English as a foreign language.


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CDG - 2010-05-18 12:15 AM I can't seen to find when I asked this before where the discussion has vanished too. But can anyone re-confirm what type of course a Russian person would attend to learn English in the UK? How many days per week and hours and what sort of price? I'm sure some of you must have had your partners attend such a course, trying to put my fiancees mind at ease for later on this year. Cheers.

Several years back my wife and her daughter did ESOL at our local college, I am not 100% certain, but think that it was 2 mornings a week, and as the college was in a generous mood, there was no cost....

Dont know what its all called today, but your local college should be able to supply you with all relevant info...

HTH

CDG
Posted 2010-05-18 5:51 AM (#34027 - in reply to #13382)
Subject: Re: Learning English as a foreign language.
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Thank you very much Mel.)
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