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ILR Visa Application - Marriage Certificate
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GaryM
Posted 2009-06-30 12:57 AM (#23546)
Subject: ILR Visa Application - Marriage Certificate
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In the SET(M) form for ILR I can't see anywhere stating that a marriage certificate needs to be supplied. Am I therefore correct in thinking that we don't actually need to provide this? I would have thought this would be needed
johnsharkey
Posted 2009-06-30 8:05 AM (#23547 - in reply to #23546)
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Gary..what,s on the check list of document,s to send..im sure you need to send it with all the other,s ,,,john
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Posted 2009-06-30 11:22 AM (#23548 - in reply to #23546)
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Gary
I couldn't see it either when we applied for ILR back in Feb. However, Irina was applying for ILR in her maiden name (same as in her Russian passport) but on the basis of being married to me!

We therefore thought that it was best to supply a copy of our marriage certificate which we did and had no problems with the application.

Be prepared to wait several weeks for an answer from them - we got an automated response that they had received the application and documents and they took the payment the very same day, then we heard nothing for over six weeks.

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Eric
GaryM
Posted 2009-06-30 2:50 PM (#23554 - in reply to #23548)
Subject: Re: ILR Visa Application - Marriage Certificate
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My wife has the same name on all her documents so there shouldn't be any complications from that point of view. The reason I was checking is because we don't have our marriage certificate translated from Russian so if it was a requirement to provide this then I would need to look at getting this done some time over the next 4 weeks.

There is no direct statement in the SET(M) form saying that a marriage certificate needs to be supplied. I'm guessing that the spouse (FLR) visa she has in her passport is probably enough proof of marriage (they already saw the marriage certificate before issuing the FLR visa) unless someone knows for definite that we do need to provide an English translated copy of our marriage certificate with the ILR application (?)
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Posted 2009-06-30 4:03 PM (#23556 - in reply to #23554)
Subject: Re: ILR Visa Application - Marriage Certificate
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Hi Gary

how come you never needed it translated before? or did you lose the first translation
as i needed our translated to get the Spouse visa
GaryM
Posted 2009-06-30 7:55 PM (#23574 - in reply to #23556)
Subject: Re: ILR Visa Application - Marriage Certificate
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My wife got her spouse visa just before the new rules came in requiring all visa application documents to be in English So we were able to submit our non-translated Russian marriage certificate with her application

Although we've since had our marriage certificate legally apostiled in Russia, it has never been translated as we haven't ever needed it for anything so for.
Robbiehas
Posted 2009-06-30 9:32 PM (#23577 - in reply to #23546)
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Gary,

We have just done ILR and all they want is documents with your name and your wife name, addressed jointlyor to each other but at the same address and from a official source blah blah.... they do not require a marriage cert... we sent docs on may 15 then we were asked for more docs sent on june 22 and had ILR arrive on 27 june.
hope this helps you.

Robbie/Olga
Kai
Posted 2009-08-11 9:32 PM (#25144 - in reply to #23546)
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I am getting a bit worried. We submitted our documents for an ILR on the 1st July along with a letter appealing to them to return our passports as quickly as possible as I was going on an important business trip to India on 18th August. Today is the 11th August and nothing. The letter from the UK Borders agency says that i should not enquire about the progress of our application but only phone if we need our passports in an emergency. Anyone got any experience of ringing them about progress? Should I cancel my trip? My company is an international company and I am abroad most months. By keeping my passport for so long they are ruining my ability to do business. Sounds like yet another letter to my MP.

Kai
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Posted 2009-08-11 11:05 PM (#25148 - in reply to #25144)
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You use a second passport as if dealing with isreal and the middle east 1 for each, then no problem
GaryM
Posted 2009-08-11 11:09 PM (#25149 - in reply to #25144)
Subject: Re: ILR Visa Application - Marriage Certificate
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I actually rang up 2 weeks ago to get an appointment as we decided to just bite the bullet and pay the extra £200 for a premium service application. This is because we wanted to make another trip to Russia before the end of the year so needed our passports back ASAP which is only guaranteed with the premium service.

No such luck unfortunately. Every single public enquiry office in the whole country is fully booked up until the beginning of October This is no good for us as my wife's FLR visa expires at the beginning of September and I was told that any premium service appointment must occur BEFORE her FLR visa expires. We were told that our only option left was to do a postal application. I enquired about the processing time for these and was told that at this current time it can be around 14 weeks so it looks like no trip to Russia for us this year after all It seems ridiculous they are that busy...probably dealing with illegal immigation issues no doubt.

With that information I would probably suggest cancelling your trip to be the most sensible option. If you ask for your passports back then the ILR visa application gets cancelled and you will lose the £820 you paid and have to start all over again with a new application costing another £820. And to add insult to injury you will also be right at the back of the 14 week queue again
johnsharkey
Posted 2009-08-11 11:10 PM (#25150 - in reply to #23546)
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Kai..it can be possible to get your passport,s back.."ONLY IN AN EMERGENCY"..someone has past away.!! otherwise your wasting your time sending a letter to your MP..it can take up to 4/5 month,s to get your wifes ILR returned,,so i guess you might have thought about this when you applied..guess your business trip will be on hold for sometime..not good news ..but that,s the way it goes..john....wait till you apply for Naturilisation(our,s took 7 month,s)ummm..and load,s a money too..Dont forget guy,s your not the only ones in a hugh queue..

Edited by johnsharkey 2009-08-11 11:13 PM
TonyH
Posted 2009-08-12 6:51 AM (#25152 - in reply to #23546)
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That's interesting Gary...... I understood that appointment dates where only released 4 weeks in advance.
Kai
Posted 2009-08-12 7:02 AM (#25153 - in reply to #23546)
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John, I am away abroad on business almost every month. I cancelled all my trips abroad for 6 weeks which i thought was a reasonable time. 4 or 5 months? In a job like mine, I am either going to get sacked or my company is going to go under.
johnsharkey
Posted 2009-08-12 7:53 AM (#25155 - in reply to #23546)
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Kai..that,s why we didnt plan any holiday,s..I know it,s diff to the job..it,s a case of i think getting ILR or Not..Big decision time mate..
TonyH
Posted 2009-08-12 8:42 AM (#25158 - in reply to #25153)
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Kai - 2009-08-12 7:02 AM

John, I am away abroad on business almost every month. I cancelled all my trips abroad for 6 weeks which i thought was a reasonable time. 4 or 5 months? In a job like mine, I am either going to get sacked or my company is going to go under.


If you had asked us before you applied we would have told you 3 months min then you could have got a second passport. Of course can you not do that now ???
GaryM
Posted 2009-08-12 10:48 AM (#25161 - in reply to #25152)
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TonyH - 2009-08-12 6:51 AM

That's interesting Gary...... I understood that appointment dates where only released 4 weeks in advance.

I was very surprised as well but that seems to be the way it is. It was a bit of a blow to be honest because we really did need to go back to Russia in September/October but there is nothing we can do about that now. The operator asked exactly when my wife's visa expired and did a search on the system for the next available appointment date in any of the public enquiry offices but there wasn't a single free slot anywhere in the country until October If there was previously a limit on the number of weeks in advance you could book an appointment then it seems the rules have now changed.

If anyone wants to use the premium visa service then I would strongly advise to ring up at least 2 months before the existing visa expires. Under the visa application rules you cannot apply for a new visa more than 28 days prior to the existing visa expiry which means that even if you ring up 2 months in advance, your appointment can still only be booked within the 28-day window prior to expiry of the existing visa.
TonyH
Posted 2009-08-12 11:14 AM (#25163 - in reply to #23546)
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Yes I would agree 18 months ago we had a 3 week wait. The first time I rang they had no appointments but told me when the next batch would be released and told me to ring back early on that day...which I did. Also if you have dependants applying at the same time there are even less appointments as these have to be a little longer and they only do these on certain daysor at least they did.

Gary as an off chance why don't you ring the PEO's directly ?
GaryM
Posted 2009-08-12 11:30 AM (#25164 - in reply to #25163)
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TonyH - 2009-08-12 11:14 AM

Gary as an off chance why don't you ring the PEO's directly ?

I can't seem to find direct numbers for any of the PEO's. The only number listed on the UK Border Agency website is 0870 606 7766 which is the number listed against ALL of the PEO's so that must just be their main call centre.

Either the Croydon or Solihull offices are do-able for us but cannot seem to find direct numbers for either of them.
Kai
Posted 2009-08-12 11:42 AM (#25166 - in reply to #25163)
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Just been on the phone to the UK Border Agency. As the spouse and not the main applicant, I can ask for my passport back at any time. Current waiting time guidelines for an ILR application is 6 months - yes 6 MONTHS.
TonyH
Posted 2009-08-12 11:47 AM (#25167 - in reply to #23546)
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I've had a look at the forms and I think that I was mistaken in that there was only one number and not individual numbers...although that one number was repeated under the address of the PEO's. ....what a pain in the ****
TonyH
Posted 2009-08-12 11:50 AM (#25168 - in reply to #25166)
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Kai - 2009-08-12 11:42 AM

Just been on the phone to the UK Border Agency. As the spouse and not the main applicant, I can ask for my passport back at any time. Current waiting time guidelines for an ILR application is 6 months - yes 6 MONTHS.


Guess that makes Gary statement all the more important...plan and make your appointment for the premium service in advance ie so you can make your application in person 28 days before it expires
GaryM
Posted 2009-08-12 12:39 PM (#25173 - in reply to #25166)
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Kai - 2009-08-12 11:42 AM

Just been on the phone to the UK Border Agency. As the spouse and not the main applicant, I can ask for my passport back at any time. Current waiting time guidelines for an ILR application is 6 months - yes 6 MONTHS.

So, since I phoned only 2 weeks ago the processing time has already gone up by nearly 50% Absolutely ridiculous

And I guess they cash your £820 cheque as soon as they receive the application and not when they actually start to process it

When we all next receive our next council tax bills maybe we should tell the govenment there is a 6 month processing time and they might have to wait 6 months before they start to get any money...

Edited by GaryM 2009-08-12 12:40 PM
Mel
Posted 2009-08-12 1:30 PM (#25180 - in reply to #25173)
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GaryM - 2009-08-12 5:39 PM
Kai - 2009-08-12 11:42 AM Just been on the phone to the UK Border Agency. As the spouse and not the main applicant, I can ask for my passport back at any time. Current waiting time guidelines for an ILR application is 6 months - yes 6 MONTHS.
So, since I phoned only 2 weeks ago the processing time has already gone up by nearly 50% Absolutely ridiculous And I guess they cash your £820 cheque as soon as they receive the application and not when they actually start to process it When we all next receive our next council tax bills maybe we should tell the govenment there is a 6 month processing time and they might have to wait 6 months before they start to get any money...

Ooooooo they will love you....

Totally agree...

GaryM
Posted 2009-08-14 3:38 PM (#25242 - in reply to #25180)
Subject: Re: ILR Visa Application - Marriage Certificate
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Well the ILR visa application was posted off today so it's just a waiting game now I guess. Hopefully we won't have died of old age before we actually get something back...
Kai
Posted 2009-09-19 2:17 PM (#26614 - in reply to #25166)
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Just to let you know that my MP put in a complaint about the lengthy application times to the Immigration Minister on my behalf (but he didn't bother to reply). I also complained to the UK Borders agency 5 weeks ago and never got a reply. BUT we received our passports back with the ILR visa yesterday. So it took 10 weeks. Not sure if all the complaining helped but we can now move on to the next hurdles - renewing a Russian passport and applying for British citizenship. God it is a long and difficult (and expensive) journey and all for love :-)

Kai
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