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rogerdodger81
Posted 2017-07-27 7:32 AM (#91293)
Subject: Visa Form new questions?
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Hi, I'm just completing the online Russian visa form and I'm a little bit confused at some of the new questions.

Do you have a National Insurance Number (is this my UK NI??), also the question on Policy of mandatory medical insurance MMI issued in Russia? What the hell do I put for this? I remember on my last visa putting the travel insurance policy number, not sure what to do here.

Can anybody shed any light on this?

As for the questions on how much I will be spending in Russia, is there any minimum requirement here?
RealRussiaAdmin
Posted 2017-07-27 12:33 PM (#91294 - in reply to #91293)
Subject: RE: Visa Form new questions?
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Posts: 3

Good afternoon,

The Russian Foreign Ministry recently introduced this new Visa Application Form with more questions for UK nationals applying for a Russian Visa (any visa type), they say, in order to make it more similar to the application form that Russian citizens have to complete to apply for a UK Visa. (https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6168)

The question "Do you have a National Insurance Number" is asking for your UK National Insurance Number (NI), yes.

Regarding the "Mandatory Medical Insurance" (MMI) in Russia: This question was put into the new Russian Visa Application Form in reply to the UK Visa Application Form containing a question asking Russians if they have a National Insurance number (NI). The "MMI" is a medical insurance policy that Russian citizens get in Russia for healthcare in Russia, so the overwhelming majority of our applicants (99%+) will never have had this. This is not the same as your travel insurance, so your travel insurance policy number does not apply here. Therefore, you should answer "no" to this question. We have not had anybody's application rejected on the grounds that they answered "no" to this question.

In concern of the section about how much money you intend to spend whilst in Russia, the Russian authorities have not made us aware of any minimum requirement here, and we are not aware of anybody's application being rejected for indicating too small an amount of money here. However, this section asks two questions: 1) The total amount of money you are prepared to spend whilst in Russia (you do not have to stick stringently to the amount you indicate here when you are in Russia), and 2) The amount of money, out of the total indicated in your answer to the previous question, you estimate you will be spending on accommodation and food.

N.B.: The amount indicated for the first of these two questions should always be greater than the amount indicated for the second of these two questions, since the first of these two questions is the total amount you are prepared to spend whilst in Russia, whereas the second question refers only to the amount out of this total you are planning to spend on accommodation and food.
newrules
Posted 2017-07-29 9:13 AM (#91303 - in reply to #91294)
Subject: RE: Visa Form new questions?
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Posts: 7

Hi,

Thanks for answering some of the new questions. However, a few issues remain. I will try to set the issues out in a few points.

1. I always travel on a 90 day private visa
2. My wife prepares the invitation, the invitation is based on solely my wife's earnings and assumes that she is supporting me during my stay in Russia.
3. I am not self employed

So, how does this fit in with the new rules?

4. Do I still need to fill in the name of my bank? Do they need the account number?
5. It will be impossible to fill in the expenditure part due to my point 2.

Grateful for clarification please, thanks.



RealRussiaAdmin
Posted 2017-08-04 5:10 PM (#91315 - in reply to #91303)
Subject: RE: Visa Form new questions?
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Posts: 3

Hi,

I'll answer your points directly as they are numbered.

1. No additional questions have been added to the new application form for British nationals applying for a Private Visa to Russia that haven't been added to the new application form for British nationals applying for any other type of Russian Visa.

2. With a Private Visa, you still need to give the original invitation letter in to the Russian Visa Application Centre along with the other supporting documents necessary for your application (a list of which can be found here: http://ru.vfsglobal.co.uk/private.html)

3. If you are not self-employed or unemployed, (i.e. if you are a student, employed, or retired), then you do not need to give bank statements with your application, even in the face of these new questions asking how much money you are prepared to spend whilst in Russia.

4. "Do I still need to fill in the name of my bank? Do they need the account number?" If this is in response to the question "Do you have any bank accounts, securities, stocks, other private property, including those in Russia?" under the section "Information About Your Financial Situation", you only need to indicate the name of your bank under "Name of bank or organization"; "HSBC", for example.

5. Bearing in mind your Point No.2, you have two options for what your answer can be: Option A) Indicate under "Total amount of money you are planning to spend for this trip/ stay/ visit to Russia" the total amount of money you are prepared to spend whilst in Russia (as discussed in the posts above in this thread), and under "How much of this amount are you planning to spend on accommodation and food?" indicate an "example" amount (e.g. the amount you expect your trip to Russia to cost including flights), but please bear in mind that your answer to "How much of this amount are you planning to spend on accommodation and food?" should always be a lower figure than your answer to "Total amount of money you are planning to spend for this trip/stay/visit to Russia".

Option B) Put "0" under the question "How much of this amount are you planning to spend on accommodation and food?" and hand in the following documents at the Russian Visa Application Centre along with the other documents required for your visa application:
1) A letter from you stating that your wife will be sponsoring your stay in Russia.
2) A letter from your wife stating that she will sponsor your travel to and from, and stay in, Russia.
3) A copy of the photo page of your wife's passport.

Option A is clearly the easier and quicker out of these two options.

I hope this helps!
newrules
Posted 2017-08-09 2:44 PM (#91325 - in reply to #91293)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?
Member

Posts: 7

Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to reply. A representative from Real Russia called me was very helpful. It would be better to just put '0' in the amount spent on food, I wouldn't need the letters you mentioned in 1-3 because the invitation already includes this i.e. my wife already has to prove 1-2 to get the invitation.
RealRussiaAdmin
Posted 2017-08-11 5:57 PM (#91328 - in reply to #91325)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?
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Posts: 3

Hi,

I'm glad one of our Visa Specialists got in touch with you and answered your questions. As we do not offer to process invitations for Private Visas at Real Russia, I was unaware that your wife had to already prove points 1-2 in order to get the invitation.

Good luck with your visa application and enjoy your time in Russia!
abrown
Posted 2017-08-15 7:23 AM (#91337 - in reply to #91293)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?
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Posts: 15

On the previous form it asked you to list all countries visited in the last 10 years. Due to extensive work travelling (many hundreds of trips to 40+ countries) I would enter enter each country once and put the date of last entry.

On the new form it asks seperately to list all visits to Russia. Does anyone have a suggestion to avoid inputting 50+ entries to this question? Do you think one entry per visa would be acceptable?
Malcolm
Posted 2017-08-16 10:27 PM (#91338 - in reply to #91337)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?


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What a bloody farce.
Question: Your father's name. D.O.B. place of birth...did your parent die?
Same for Mummy.
What kind of vodka swilling cretin thought that one up?
This new form is a steaming pile of Soviet era dogshit.
And they now charge £70 for the visa and £38.40 service charge. Service? At VFS in Gee Street? The only service you get there is some ex-pat girlie with a face like a smacked arse putting your stuff in an envelope and scowling at you. Meanwhile the rest of Europe pays £30 for the visa. This is for a single entry, 30 day visa. It's a fucking joke.
A Russian would pay about £95 for a 6 month multi-entry visa to the UK.

I told the missus this is the last time I go to visit Mama.
I know when I'm not wanted and the Russians can stick it up their arse and fuck off back to the dark ages. They won't get another penny from me until the blank-faced goons come to their senses.



Edited by Malcolm 2017-08-16 10:31 PM
Choo Choo
Posted 2017-08-18 4:40 PM (#91344 - in reply to #91338)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?
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I can see why you're getting so worked up Malcolm, some truly ridiculous new questions to answer mate. Along with the "did your parent die" gem and the "how much do you plan to spend" bullshit, is the bit about children. Are any children accompanying you? No. End of story you would think? NO! Do you have any children? Yes. Name, D.O.B., Place of birth, do they have a passport? Full details again. Do they live at the same address as you? NO! Alternative address. For F@*Ks sake!!! They're 27 and 28 years old and guess what? They're not f@$king coming!!!! Do i really need to supply all this needless information? I haven't even reached the end of the form yet, so i don't know if there are any more suprises in store?!?
Malcolm
Posted 2017-08-21 8:17 AM (#91349 - in reply to #91344)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?


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Yep, the questions about children and their passports is particularly stupid.
My kids are all grown up and I have no idea if they have passports and even if they do, it's no business of the fucking Russians.
It seems to me that this form has been designed without any thought as to the answers, or why the questions are being asked.
This is sadly typical of the Russian mindset.

As I said, I won't be going to Russia again until they change this stupid application form.
I don't mind filling in forms but I do mind pointless questions that have no value except to annoy.
I also mind being stiffed for double the price that the French and Germans pay.
For that price I want a 6 month multi-entry visa at the very least.



Edited by Malcolm 2017-08-21 8:19 AM
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