Real Russia — Hotels, Trains, Visas, Tours, Trans-siberian experts
Menu

RealRussia Forum
Search | Statistics | User Listing Forums | Calendars | Albums | Quotes | Skins | Language
You are logged in as a guest. ( logon | register )
Random quote: Love and eggs are best when they are fresh - Russian Proverb
- (Added by: Chris)

Visa Form new questions?
Moderators: nickomsk, TonyH, Chris, DeaconStreet

Jump to page : 1
Now viewing page 1 [25 messages per page]
View previous thread :: View next thread
   Visas -> Russian visasMessage format
 
rogerdodger81
Posted 2017-07-27 7:32 AM (#91293)
Subject: Visa Form new questions?
New User

Posts: 1

Hi, I'm just completing the online Russian visa form and I'm a little bit confused at some of the new questions.

Do you have a National Insurance Number (is this my UK NI??), also the question on Policy of mandatory medical insurance MMI issued in Russia? What the hell do I put for this? I remember on my last visa putting the travel insurance policy number, not sure what to do here.

Can anybody shed any light on this?

As for the questions on how much I will be spending in Russia, is there any minimum requirement here?
RealRussiaAdmin
Posted 2017-07-27 12:33 PM (#91294 - in reply to #91293)
Subject: RE: Visa Form new questions?
New User

Posts: 4

Good afternoon,

The Russian Foreign Ministry recently introduced this new Visa Application Form with more questions for UK nationals applying for a Russian Visa (any visa type), they say, in order to make it more similar to the application form that Russian citizens have to complete to apply for a UK Visa. (https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6168)

The question "Do you have a National Insurance Number" is asking for your UK National Insurance Number (NI), yes.

Regarding the "Mandatory Medical Insurance" (MMI) in Russia: This question was put into the new Russian Visa Application Form in reply to the UK Visa Application Form containing a question asking Russians if they have a National Insurance number (NI). The "MMI" is a medical insurance policy that Russian citizens get in Russia for healthcare in Russia, so the overwhelming majority of our applicants (99%+) will never have had this. This is not the same as your travel insurance, so your travel insurance policy number does not apply here. Therefore, you should answer "no" to this question. We have not had anybody's application rejected on the grounds that they answered "no" to this question.

In concern of the section about how much money you intend to spend whilst in Russia, the Russian authorities have not made us aware of any minimum requirement here, and we are not aware of anybody's application being rejected for indicating too small an amount of money here. However, this section asks two questions: 1) The total amount of money you are prepared to spend whilst in Russia (you do not have to stick stringently to the amount you indicate here when you are in Russia), and 2) The amount of money, out of the total indicated in your answer to the previous question, you estimate you will be spending on accommodation and food.

N.B.: The amount indicated for the first of these two questions should always be greater than the amount indicated for the second of these two questions, since the first of these two questions is the total amount you are prepared to spend whilst in Russia, whereas the second question refers only to the amount out of this total you are planning to spend on accommodation and food.
newrules
Posted 2017-07-29 9:13 AM (#91303 - in reply to #91294)
Subject: RE: Visa Form new questions?
Member

Posts: 19

Hi,

Thanks for answering some of the new questions. However, a few issues remain. I will try to set the issues out in a few points.

1. I always travel on a 90 day private visa
2. My wife prepares the invitation, the invitation is based on solely my wife's earnings and assumes that she is supporting me during my stay in Russia.
3. I am not self employed

So, how does this fit in with the new rules?

4. Do I still need to fill in the name of my bank? Do they need the account number?
5. It will be impossible to fill in the expenditure part due to my point 2.

Grateful for clarification please, thanks.



RealRussiaAdmin
Posted 2017-08-04 5:10 PM (#91315 - in reply to #91303)
Subject: RE: Visa Form new questions?
New User

Posts: 4

Hi,

I'll answer your points directly as they are numbered.

1. No additional questions have been added to the new application form for British nationals applying for a Private Visa to Russia that haven't been added to the new application form for British nationals applying for any other type of Russian Visa.

2. With a Private Visa, you still need to give the original invitation letter in to the Russian Visa Application Centre along with the other supporting documents necessary for your application (a list of which can be found here: http://ru.vfsglobal.co.uk/private.html)

3. If you are not self-employed or unemployed, (i.e. if you are a student, employed, or retired), then you do not need to give bank statements with your application, even in the face of these new questions asking how much money you are prepared to spend whilst in Russia.

4. "Do I still need to fill in the name of my bank? Do they need the account number?" If this is in response to the question "Do you have any bank accounts, securities, stocks, other private property, including those in Russia?" under the section "Information About Your Financial Situation", you only need to indicate the name of your bank under "Name of bank or organization"; "HSBC", for example.

5. Bearing in mind your Point No.2, you have two options for what your answer can be: Option A) Indicate under "Total amount of money you are planning to spend for this trip/ stay/ visit to Russia" the total amount of money you are prepared to spend whilst in Russia (as discussed in the posts above in this thread), and under "How much of this amount are you planning to spend on accommodation and food?" indicate an "example" amount (e.g. the amount you expect your trip to Russia to cost including flights), but please bear in mind that your answer to "How much of this amount are you planning to spend on accommodation and food?" should always be a lower figure than your answer to "Total amount of money you are planning to spend for this trip/stay/visit to Russia".

Option B) Put "0" under the question "How much of this amount are you planning to spend on accommodation and food?" and hand in the following documents at the Russian Visa Application Centre along with the other documents required for your visa application:
1) A letter from you stating that your wife will be sponsoring your stay in Russia.
2) A letter from your wife stating that she will sponsor your travel to and from, and stay in, Russia.
3) A copy of the photo page of your wife's passport.

Option A is clearly the easier and quicker out of these two options.

I hope this helps!
newrules
Posted 2017-08-09 2:44 PM (#91325 - in reply to #91293)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?
Member

Posts: 19

Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to reply. A representative from Real Russia called me was very helpful. It would be better to just put '0' in the amount spent on food, I wouldn't need the letters you mentioned in 1-3 because the invitation already includes this i.e. my wife already has to prove 1-2 to get the invitation.
RealRussiaAdmin
Posted 2017-08-11 5:57 PM (#91328 - in reply to #91325)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?
New User

Posts: 4

Hi,

I'm glad one of our Visa Specialists got in touch with you and answered your questions. As we do not offer to process invitations for Private Visas at Real Russia, I was unaware that your wife had to already prove points 1-2 in order to get the invitation.

Good luck with your visa application and enjoy your time in Russia!
abrown
Posted 2017-08-15 7:23 AM (#91337 - in reply to #91293)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?
Member

Posts: 15

On the previous form it asked you to list all countries visited in the last 10 years. Due to extensive work travelling (many hundreds of trips to 40+ countries) I would enter enter each country once and put the date of last entry.

On the new form it asks seperately to list all visits to Russia. Does anyone have a suggestion to avoid inputting 50+ entries to this question? Do you think one entry per visa would be acceptable?
Malcolm
Posted 2017-08-16 10:27 PM (#91338 - in reply to #91337)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?


Expert

Posts: 4164
200020001002525
Location: London
What a bloody farce.
Question: Your father's name. D.O.B. place of birth...did your parent die?
Same for Mummy.
What kind of vodka swilling cretin thought that one up?
This new form is a steaming pile of Soviet era dogshit.
And they now charge £70 for the visa and £38.40 service charge. Service? At VFS in Gee Street? The only service you get there is some ex-pat girlie with a face like a smacked arse putting your stuff in an envelope and scowling at you. Meanwhile the rest of Europe pays £30 for the visa. This is for a single entry, 30 day visa. It's a fucking joke.
A Russian would pay about £95 for a 6 month multi-entry visa to the UK.

I told the missus this is the last time I go to visit Mama.
I know when I'm not wanted and the Russians can stick it up their arse and fuck off back to the dark ages. They won't get another penny from me until the blank-faced goons come to their senses.



Edited by Malcolm 2017-08-16 10:31 PM
Choo Choo
Posted 2017-08-18 4:40 PM (#91344 - in reply to #91338)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?
Veteran

Posts: 194
100252525
Location: South Oxfordshire
I can see why you're getting so worked up Malcolm, some truly ridiculous new questions to answer mate. Along with the "did your parent die" gem and the "how much do you plan to spend" bullshit, is the bit about children. Are any children accompanying you? No. End of story you would think? NO! Do you have any children? Yes. Name, D.O.B., Place of birth, do they have a passport? Full details again. Do they live at the same address as you? NO! Alternative address. For F@*Ks sake!!! They're 27 and 28 years old and guess what? They're not f@$king coming!!!! Do i really need to supply all this needless information? I haven't even reached the end of the form yet, so i don't know if there are any more suprises in store?!?
Malcolm
Posted 2017-08-21 8:17 AM (#91349 - in reply to #91344)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?


Expert

Posts: 4164
200020001002525
Location: London
Yep, the questions about children and their passports is particularly stupid.
My kids are all grown up and I have no idea if they have passports and even if they do, it's no business of the fucking Russians.
It seems to me that this form has been designed without any thought as to the answers, or why the questions are being asked.
This is sadly typical of the Russian mindset.

As I said, I won't be going to Russia again until they change this stupid application form.
I don't mind filling in forms but I do mind pointless questions that have no value except to annoy.
I also mind being stiffed for double the price that the French and Germans pay.
For that price I want a 6 month multi-entry visa at the very least.



Edited by Malcolm 2017-08-21 8:19 AM
GaryM
Posted 2017-08-26 11:18 AM (#91446 - in reply to #91293)
Subject: RE: Visa Form new questions?
Expert

Posts: 2099
2000252525
Location: South Oxfordshire, UK & St. Petersburg, Russia
Happy days. The last visa application form I filled in was at the back end of last year. Not planning on going this year but I can see some fun and games next year when I will probably make another visit.

I don't get the questions about the money spend. Clearly this is aimed at tourists only but I never apply for a tourist visa. They need to have two separate workflows through the application form screens that doesn't require this information unless you're going as a tourist. Based on past experience with answers to other questions, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they don't even look at this figure and if you were to put a ZERO then I would put money on you still being issued with a visa. Likewise with the stuff about kids. Just say you don't have any even if you do and they will be none the wiser. Job done. I doubt they even scrutinise this information anyway because it's completely pointless and has no bearing whatsoever on an application for YOU which has nothing to do with your kids.

As for all of the last places you have visited, unless they have changed the application form, the box only used to accept a maximum of 10 entries so you could only stick in the last 10 anyway. I don't remember there being the same restriction on the number of Russian visas you had previously been issued with but I always just stick down the last 10. However, this question is complete BS anyway because if their systems work properly they will already have a record of all your past Russian visas so why do you need to tell them information they should already have?

And don't get me started on the VAC. The actual quality of service they provide and the admin fee they charge is a complete joke. Dick Turpin has clearly come out of retirement and is running that show.

I'm sure they're just doing all this to try and wind us up. I'd love to have the bottle to try submit an application form with all the pointless stuff left blank or answered as "no" just to prove a point that no-one ever looks at or really cares about any of that stuff. Any guinea pigs willing to volunteer?
Malcolm
Posted 2017-09-01 12:55 PM (#91499 - in reply to #91446)
Subject: RE: Visa Form new questions?


Expert

Posts: 4164
200020001002525
Location: London
Greetings Gary!

Just for info, I put £100 in both the boxes regarding money.
As for the kids, I just put their names, nothing else.
You can only put in 7 foreign trips and seven Russian visas on the new form.
I got the visa as usual.

I don't know if they actually look at any of the rubbish they ask for. It's just designed to annoy rather than as something they need to know. I doubt whether the Russian visa service is any better than the UK Home Office which has admitted that their systems are complete crap after they sent out letter to random people threatening them if they didn't leave the country immediately. These people included UK citizens, spouses and people actually born here to UK parents!

The VFS charge is outrageous for what they actually do, they're just a post box. But the charge for the visa is worse. Double what other countries pay and it's only for 30 days. It's about time the idiots who run the Russian visa service allowed family members a one year visa as a minimum. I don't expect it will ever happen because Russia is still a country full of suspicious, mistrustful, Soviet-minded clots who think everyone else is the enemy.
The UK system is a bit of a guessing game sometimes but it doesn't ask pointless questions. The mother-in-law got a two-year UK visa after only one 6 month visa. No problems at all.

As I said, this will be my last visit to Russia until the visa system is improved.
newrules
Posted 2017-09-20 3:07 PM (#91605 - in reply to #91499)
Subject: RE: Visa Form new questions?
Member

Posts: 19

Some amusing anecdotes. Thing is though, have you seen the British Visa forms? I know a few people that have been refused British Visas and of course no reason is given.
newrules
Posted 2017-09-20 3:11 PM (#91606 - in reply to #91499)
Subject: RE: Visa Form new questions?
Member

Posts: 19

You say the VFS charge is high but it is lower than Real Russia and quicker(7 day turn around in total with VFS) , however for first time applicants it may be a good idea to use Real Russia as it can be a nightmare if you make a mistake on the application form as you would have to edit in the VFS office for a high fee or make a journey back to London.

Real Russia have been very helpful to me. VFS do answer queries via email, its hit and miss but usually they reply with some constructive advice.

Edited by newrules 2017-09-20 3:18 PM
newrules
Posted 2017-09-20 3:14 PM (#91607 - in reply to #91328)
Subject: Re: Visa Form new questions?
Member

Posts: 19

RealRussiaAdmin - 2017-08-11 5:57 PM

Hi,

I'm glad one of our Visa Specialists got in touch with you and answered your questions. As we do not offer to process invitations for Private Visas at Real Russia, I was unaware that your wife had to already prove points 1-2 in order to get the invitation.

Good luck with your visa application and enjoy your time in Russia!


Hi,

Just saw your message, thanks!
Malcolm
Posted 2017-09-21 3:00 PM (#91611 - in reply to #91606)
Subject: RE: Visa Form new questions?


Expert

Posts: 4164
200020001002525
Location: London
You don't have to use RealRussia but you DO have to use the VFS service for a private (family) visa.
VFS are nothing more than a collection service point. They don't do anything else. Their charges are a rip-off for what they actually provide.

As for the application forms, the UK Visa application form doesn't ask if your parents have died, doesn't ask for children's passport numbers or addresses and doesn't ask for old passport information.

It doesn't cost anything to edit your application form at Gee Street. If you can't fill a form in properly then you probably shouldn't be allowed to travel alone.

VFS and The Russian visa service is a rip-off in every way.

Edited by Malcolm 2017-09-21 3:07 PM
newrules
Posted 2017-09-21 4:04 PM (#91612 - in reply to #91611)
Subject: RE: Visa Form new questions?
Member

Posts: 19

If they are not travelling with you then why the need for children's passport numbers? As you said before its pointless asking for old information as they already have it, they also already have your fingerprints..

They do charge in Gee Street, actually they have introduced an expensive checking system if people choose to use it. If you have made a mistake on the form you have to pay to use their computers and to print out the amended form. I always see people there being told they have to make amendments.

Yeah of course, most people would fill in the form without mistakes.

VFS isn't a charity. The problem is when governments decide to pass everything to money making agencies.

I suppose you know the UK visa service makes even larger profits on applications. Size of margins raises concerns department has incentive to reject applicants on technicalities, forcing them to reapply. The profit stands at 800%!!

Edited by newrules 2017-09-21 4:34 PM
Jump to page : 1
Now viewing page 1 [25 messages per page]
Jump to forum :
Search this forum
Printer friendly version
E-mail a link to this thread


(Delete all cookies set by this site)