Real Russia — Hotels, Trains, Visas, Tours, Trans-siberian experts
Menu

RealRussia Forum
Search | Statistics | User Listing Forums | Calendars | Albums | Quotes | Skins | Language
You are logged in as a guest. ( logon | register )
Random quote: The fish always stinks from the head downwards - Russian Proverb
- (Added by: Chris)

Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression
Moderators: nickomsk, TonyH, Chris, DeaconStreet

Jump to page : 1
Now viewing page 1 [25 messages per page]
View previous thread :: View next thread
   Visas -> All other visa topicsMessage format
 
55North
Posted 2014-06-10 12:09 PM (#62014)
Subject: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression


Extreme Veteran

Posts: 373
1001001002525
Location: Marinskaya + Newcastle upon Tyne
I'm not sure where to post this and so, if a moderator wants to shift it to somewhere more appropriate, all well and good.

This matter has been bubbling under for a while now, but may not have been noticed by those who stick with 'official' Russian news sites and the like.

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/window-on-eurasia-pu...

No doubt, soon, we shall learn that pension rights will be suspended for all Russians domicile abroad, except in 'approved' locations (like N Korea, China, Syria, Belarus).
Mel
Posted 2014-06-10 5:52 PM (#62017 - in reply to #62014)
Subject: RE: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression


Expert

Posts: 4727
2000200050010010025
Location: In the Windmills of my mind...
More Bullshit
Chris
Posted 2014-06-11 10:01 AM (#62020 - in reply to #62014)
Subject: Re: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression


Expert

Posts: 3305
20001000100100100
Location: Volgograd & Moscow
well those who live abroad already pay doubles taxes on russian income, so why not - its logical for Putins government to identify potential enimies of the state, and what was said, but only in passing, is how it creates "good russians", ie those who live at home, and "bad russians", ie those who live or have ties abroad - the Russian legal system is a joke and the "high court" will rubber stamp this odious law through, but then, they dont want to end up in a phyciatric hospitil for forced treatment if they dont - sad days for Russia, but they are happy at the moment.
GerryL
Posted 2014-06-12 12:28 AM (#62038 - in reply to #62014)
Subject: RE: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression
New User

Posts: 1

My wife is a Russian Citizen with ILR in the UK but still has a property in Russia where her son lives and she is registered at that address. Does this law also apply to those with such right of abode or only dual citizenship? She also has a small Russian pension paid into a bank in Russia, neither of which does she wish to lose. The official Russian site for this affair doesn't seem to give much helpful information.
Malcolm
Posted 2014-06-12 8:37 AM (#62039 - in reply to #62014)
Subject: Re: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression


Expert

Posts: 4159
200020001002525
Location: London
Apparently it applies to both.
But don't expect any Russian law to be either helpful or have clarity. These two things are unknown to the Russian legal system because it gives the government a lot of room for manoeuvre and goalpost-moving when things are vague.
Malcolm
Posted 2014-06-12 11:48 AM (#62044 - in reply to #62014)
Subject: Re: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression


Expert

Posts: 4159
200020001002525
Location: London
bump
Administrator
Posted 2014-06-12 12:33 PM (#62045 - in reply to #62014)
Subject: Re: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression


Veteran

Posts: 127
10025
Location: Pretty much here all the time
Yes, it applies not just to second passports, but also to ILR and other documents of residency that do not contain any political or other rights - it is clear the new law is aimed at two general groups, those who are dodging taxes in Russia and the potentially unreliable Russians who, because they live or work abroad, have doubtful loyalty to the state. In this second part it will create a two tier system of "good or our" Russians and "bad or their" Russians that existing in Soviet times - it is unconstitutional, socially divisive and illogical, but don't expect that to stop it going through.

There is some mention that the law may be extended to cover immediate family members who still live in Russia, even if they themselves don't have such second passport or ILR, but I don't think that it will come to that initially. The migration services, have had this dumped on them without consultation and are in chaos as how to deal with it (or even what they are supposed to collect, for who etc) - especially as millions of Russians will have to travel back to Russia to register within 60 days of the law being signed or face criminal prosecution, as Malcolm said, lots of wriggle room on the governments side, lots of confusion on those the new law potentially applies to .... welcome to Russia
stuey
Posted 2014-06-13 12:01 AM (#62050 - in reply to #62045)
Subject: Re: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression
Elite Veteran

Posts: 604
500100
Location: South Yorkshire
So if a Russian (the good wife, yep were still married) has British Citizenship and UK passport already then when do they have to notify the FMS about dual nationality?
Do they have 60 days from today (12th June) to report it to the FMS?
Do they have. To return to Russia to report dual citizenship or can they send them a letter/e-mail from the UK?
We need clarity on this as it will affect a lot of people here in sunny UK



Little off track now, just to say doch Is doing well, in year 7 at school n already a 7c in maths n 6a in English as well a 6's in other subjects.
55North
Posted 2014-06-13 8:10 AM (#62051 - in reply to #62014)
Subject: Re: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression


Extreme Veteran

Posts: 373
1001001002525
Location: Marinskaya + Newcastle upon Tyne
Should it come to pass (and it isn't law yet), this will effect millions, - from the Surrey dacha belt to Brighton Beach (NY) to Pattaya.

Can the world's airline schedules, and Russian bureaucracy possibly cope?

What about getting an urgent furlough from the US Marines?

Does this include all Ukrainians who have been issued Russian passports?

Problems, problems, - and lunacy!
55North
Posted 2014-06-13 8:49 AM (#62052 - in reply to #62014)
Subject: Re: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression


Extreme Veteran

Posts: 373
1001001002525
Location: Marinskaya + Newcastle upon Tyne
For my own and your benefit, I have googled to bring together a selection of 'recent' news articles.

So, here's all we (the average English/Russian spouse) knows to date.
From hereon, we'll probably need expert advice from a Russian visa agency or similar.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/06/06/putin-foreigner...

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russia-targets-traitorou...

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/725584

http://rt.com/politics/russian-citizenship-double-responsibility-36... (apologies to all for going here)

http://www.rferl.org/content/russian-bill-would-criminalize-hiding-...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/20/us-russia-bill-dualcitize...

http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/01-04-2014/127229-russians_dua...
Mel
Posted 2014-06-14 8:40 AM (#62111 - in reply to #62052)
Subject: Re: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression


Expert

Posts: 4727
2000200050010010025
Location: In the Windmills of my mind...

Malcolm
Posted 2014-06-14 4:13 PM (#62137 - in reply to #62014)
Subject: Re: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression


Expert

Posts: 4159
200020001002525
Location: London
bump
senwd
Posted 2015-10-04 8:16 PM (#65324 - in reply to #62014)
Subject: RE: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression
Extreme Veteran

Posts: 423
100100100100
bump

Hello Boys and Girls. Apologies for long time, no post - been rather busy for a while.

Anyone any news on what is the current situation regarding this? Any new signposts? Unfortunately I've taken my eye off the ball on this one and the OH finds it so tedious that she falls asleep before even finishing typing the search term into google.

Trust all is well with everyone.


Edited by senwd 2015-10-04 8:18 PM
Mel
Posted 2015-10-07 3:55 PM (#65352 - in reply to #65324)
Subject: RE: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression


Expert

Posts: 4727
2000200050010010025
Location: In the Windmills of my mind...

senwd - 2015-10-05 1:16 AM bump Hello Boys and Girls. Apologies for long time, no post - been rather busy for a while. Anyone any news on what is the current situation regarding this? Any new signposts? Unfortunately I've taken my eye off the ball on this one and the OH finds it so tedious that she falls asleep before even finishing typing the search term into google. Trust all is well with everyone.

Hi there, hope all is good with you and yours...

 

Your wife must register her UK citizenship/ILR/FLR, or any other residence permit that she may hold for the UK at her local FMS/PO when she holidays again in Russia....

 

Easy peasy, and quickly done....

 

HTH. 

mym
Posted 2017-08-03 8:35 PM (#91314 - in reply to #62014)
Subject: Re: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression
Elite Veteran

Posts: 806
500100100100
Location: Glasgow
Typically, this has only just come to my attention..

The other half (UK citizen since 2010) has been to Russia since this law came in and is now back there again - apparently the registration can only be done at the place of original residence, if residence has not been deregistered? That's not going to happen as it's in Norilsk!

Anyone have any up to date info on how this is being applied? The law is unclear whether a fine of 500-1000 is due for late registration or the full year's salary because he has been back since and not registered...


Hello all, by the way, 10th wedding anniversary in November this year
Mel
Posted 2017-08-05 7:15 PM (#91322 - in reply to #91314)
Subject: Re: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression


Expert

Posts: 4727
2000200050010010025
Location: In the Windmills of my mind...

mym - 2017-08-04 1:35 AM Typically, this has only just come to my attention.. The other half (UK citizen since 2010) has been to Russia since this law came in and is now back there again - apparently the registration can only be done at the place of original residence, if residence has not been deregistered? That's not going to happen as it's in Norilsk! Anyone have any up to date info on how this is being applied? The law is unclear whether a fine of 500-1000 is due for late registration or the full year's salary because he has been back since and not registered... Hello all, by the way, 10th wedding anniversary in November this year

Hi, nice to see you...

Your other half can go to any local post office, fill out the form, and the post office will send it to his local UFMS, make sure to get the receipted document..

There is no need to tell anyone that this is not the first visit since the law was implemented....

Good Luck.. 

mym
Posted 2017-08-05 9:19 PM (#91323 - in reply to #91314)
Subject: Re: Putin’s Dual Citizenship Law Opens the Way to Broader Repression
Elite Veteran

Posts: 806
500100100100
Location: Glasgow
Thanks Mel. He's deep in Udmurtia, eating and going to banyas and being happily russian
Jump to page : 1
Now viewing page 1 [25 messages per page]
Jump to forum :
Search this forum
Printer friendly version
E-mail a link to this thread


(Delete all cookies set by this site)