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OztoRussia
Posted 2015-07-31 2:38 AM (#64775)
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Hello all,

I'm an Aussie considering a move to Russia for a short time (probably 9 to 12 months). Looks like there's a good chance I have a job opportunity over there.

In the sample contract produced, I get free accommodation included as part of the package, however the wage is only 25,000 rubles per month, which may go up to 33,000 rubles after a short while if I'm performing well. By my home country's standards (i.e. when I convert these amounts to AUD), this sort of pay is minuscule, you would 'earn' more on unemployment benefits.

However, is the cost of living as such in Russia that this is doable? If I opt for a city other than Moscow or St. Petersburg, will it be much easier to get by? Keep in mind that free accommodation is included in the package.

There are various cities in Russia I may end up in: Moscow, St. Petersburg, as well as a swath of smaller cities throughout European Russia, including: Obninsk, Armavir, Samara, Rostov na Donu, Shakhti, Stavropol, Volgograd
Sterlitamac, Ufa, Orenburg, Atyrau .

With the cost pressures in mind, what do you guys n' gals think would be a good choice?

Thank you all so much,

Edited by OztoRussia 2015-07-31 2:39 AM
Michaeldunha
Posted 2015-07-31 7:14 PM (#64780 - in reply to #64775)
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Average salary in Russia is around 30,000 rub per month after tax, so most earn less than this.
The state pension starts at around 6,500 rub a month, I'd say you could live on what they are offering.
Food has gone up in price recently thanks to some highly questionable decisions by the Russian government.
I'd research your prospective employer just to see how legit this job is, you wouldn't exactly be the first one to find that some companies in Russia bend or break a few laws.
Also I'm pretty sure they've introduced a language test for all foreign workers now, so just how good is your Russian?
OztoRussia
Posted 2015-08-01 12:14 AM (#64781 - in reply to #64775)
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Hi Michaeldunha,

Thanks a lot, that information is good to know.

Well it would be rather ironic if I was subjected to a Russian language test, as the job that I have been offered is a Teaching English as a Foreign Language job. The organisation checks out and is very respectable. I believe they have a number of exemptions to foreign worker regulations due to the nature of their work.

Do you Michaeldunha, or anyone else for that matter, know much about the cities that I've listed in that list? Would I be able to find fun things to do and see? I am not necessarily needing to live in a touristic city, just one which I can find a few fun things to do. In fact, I think I'm drawn to the smaller Russian cities as opposed to the larger ones anyways.

Thanks so much,

Edited by OztoRussia 2015-08-01 12:16 AM
ploeb
Posted 2015-08-01 11:28 AM (#64782 - in reply to #64781)
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hi OztoRussia, i was interested in your question, "would I be able to find fun things to do?" Honestly I dont know the answer, but prepare yourself for things being very different! Bad roads, not much infrastructure, crazy (but nice) people who dont generally speak English, terrible bureaucracy, corrupt Police, etc etc. Im sure you could do some research online now and see what is out there. Oh and if you are working as a teacher, that will obviously help you meet people.
Michaeldunha
Posted 2015-08-01 7:06 PM (#64783 - in reply to #64781)
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I guess it comes down to what do you consider fun.

I can only really say about the city of Perm, whenever I'm there I feel quite comfortable. Going out for a meal or to the cinema isn't that much different from here. There's not a huge amount of touristy things to see, but you can go for a quick cruise down the river, visit a museum or the theatre.

Most cities also will have a circus and possibly a zoo, if your into that sort of thing. Sport wise, obviously hockey and football are very popular but outdoor pursuits such as handgliding or river rafting are activities that can be found.

Police corruption is a little overplayed I think, I've never been given a second look by one. Russians are terrible drivers in fact you'll find endless videos on YouTube to testify to this, in Perm finding a car without out at dent is a challenge.

Yeah roads are pretty poor, Perm doesn't have any storm drains so is quiet dirty in the summer. Public transport is very cheap with the exception of flights, not really got the budget airline thing working over there.

Hugely popular is of course the banya, you can't say you've been to Russia unless you've been to one.

Volgograd well known because of the war and has touristy things to see in regard to it, but pretty much all cities will have their own T-34 tank on display.

Edited by Michaeldunha 2015-08-01 7:14 PM
OztoRussia
Posted 2015-08-02 11:25 AM (#64784 - in reply to #64775)
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Great, thank you all so much for your help
Mel
Posted 2015-08-02 1:10 PM (#64785 - in reply to #64775)
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OztoRussia - 2015-07-31 7:38 AM Hello all, I'm an Aussie considering a move to Russia for a short time (probably 9 to 12 months). Looks like there's a good chance I have a job opportunity over there. In the sample contract produced, I get free accommodation included as part of the package, however the wage is only 25,000 rubles per month, which may go up to 33,000 rubles after a short while if I'm performing well. By my home country's standards (i.e. when I convert these amounts to AUD), this sort of pay is minuscule, you would 'earn' more on unemployment benefits. However, is the cost of living as such in Russia that this is doable? If I opt for a city other than Moscow or St. Petersburg, will it be much easier to get by? Keep in mind that free accommodation is included in the package. There are various cities in Russia I may end up in: Moscow, St. Petersburg, as well as a swath of smaller cities throughout European Russia, including: Obninsk, Armavir, Samara, Rostov na Donu, Shakhti, Stavropol, Volgograd Sterlitamac, Ufa, Orenburg, Atyrau . With the cost pressures in mind, what do you guys n' gals think would be a good choice? Thank you all so much,

Hi,

With a salary of 25,000r/month, even with a free apartment, living in Moscow or St Petersburg will be more of a survival exercise IMHO.

You should also clarify as to what extent the free Apartment covers, i.e. does it also cover any maintenance payments, hot/cold water, heating, gas/electricity, central heating costs.... If not, you can reckon that, even outside of Moscow, you will have a monthly bill or about 4-5,000 r...

Personally, I would suggest that you consider Rostov, Krasnodar, Volgograd where the winters will be a little shorter than a city in the more northerly regions, which can be in winter mode for up to 6 months a year ...

I would also suggest that Michael is correct re the need for a Russian language/law/history test for a work visa, even though you would be teaching English, I think that you would only be exempt the test if you entered Russia on a highly specialist visa, but the salary for this type of visa is far higher than what you are being offered, maybe you should talk to the future employer re the visa...

You would possibly be able to make some additional private teaching as a side line to supplement the salary, but be careful doing this, get caught evading Mr Taxman, and your visa would be ashes...

HTH 

OztoRussia
Posted 2015-08-03 7:48 AM (#64789 - in reply to #64775)
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Hi Mel,

Yesterday I was adamant that my answer would be yes. Today I'm far less certain. For one I've been getting interest from parties in China that pay a lot more.

Some people indicate that, with housing included, that salary is OK. Others, like yourself, indicate that I would be barely surviving. If that's going to be the case, and I would end up hungry with no disposable income whatsoever, then I can't see how I would enjoy myself at all. I don't really have the luxury of dipping into savings.

Anyways, I don't know, whereas yesterday I was leaning toward a yes today I'm inclined toward a no.

Anyone got further thoughts?

Thanks all,

Edited by OztoRussia 2015-08-03 7:53 AM
ploeb
Posted 2015-08-03 10:18 AM (#64790 - in reply to #64789)
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i think you need to accept you're not going to make money, you need to think of it as a cultural, life enriching experience. You would have a completely different experience in China...people there are probably going to be calmer, quieter, more respectful, maybe less friendly, you could say more boring in a way. But economically they are doing well. Think about what kind of experience you want!
Mel
Posted 2015-08-03 2:59 PM (#64793 - in reply to #64789)
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OztoRussia - 2015-08-03 12:48 PM Hi Mel, Yesterday I was adamant that my answer would be yes. Today I'm far less certain. For one I've been getting interest from parties in China that pay a lot more. Some people indicate that, with housing included, that salary is OK. Others, like yourself, indicate that I would be barely surviving. If that's going to be the case, and I would end up hungry with no disposable income whatsoever, then I can't see how I would enjoy myself at all. I don't really have the luxury of dipping into savings. Anyways, I don't know, whereas yesterday I was leaning toward a yes today I'm inclined toward a no. Anyone got further thoughts? Thanks all,

I live in Russia, well away from Moscow, so gave you the facts as they are to me and my life...

I would say that to live comfortably without worrying about money, you will need to earn a little more than the offer...

You will most certainly need to take a Russian language test for your visa, as you would be earning well below the amount for a Teachers HQS visa..

If I was in your position, and was being offered the chance to visit china, live and work there, I would be off pdq...

I was there many many moons ago, and it was absolutely super, I was a fool to leave...

Good luck with whatever you decide to do, and if you do come to Russia, drop me a message...  

Michaeldunha
Posted 2015-08-03 4:32 PM (#64795 - in reply to #64789)
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The money there offering I think you can live off, but that's about it. There is some unknown variables such as does the accommodation include utilities, there could be some increases on the way for those.
I'd say language wise Russian is going to be a little easier to learn, not that I've tried mandari . Two large universities where I live with many Chinese students, polite isn't the first word that comes to mind, but then again a lot of Russians are stuck with what I'd call a Soviet mentality......customer service just isn't in their vocabulary.
China maybe the better choice for you, closer to home and perhaps a slightly less politically frosty.
It all comes down though to what your aspirations are, we can give you a reasonable idea of what to expect in Russia.
muffy
Posted 2015-08-05 8:50 AM (#64811 - in reply to #64783)
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Michaeldunha - 2015-08-01 7:06 PM

I guess it comes down to what do you consider fun.

I can only really say about the city of Perm, whenever I'm there I feel quite comfortable. Going out for a meal or to the cinema isn't that much different from here. There's not a huge amount of touristy things to see, but you can go for a quick cruise down the river, visit a museum or the theatre.

Most cities also will have a circus and possibly a zoo, if your into that sort of thing. Sport wise, obviously hockey and football are very popular but outdoor pursuits such as handgliding or river rafting are activities that can be found.

Police corruption is a little overplayed I think, I've never been given a second look by one. Russians are terrible drivers in fact you'll find endless videos on YouTube to testify to this, in Perm finding a car without out at dent is a challenge.

Yeah roads are pretty poor, Perm doesn't have any storm drains so is quiet dirty in the summer. Public transport is very cheap with the exception of flights, not really got the budget airline thing working over there.

Hugely popular is of course the banya, you can't say you've been to Russia unless you've been to one.

Volgograd well known because of the war and has touristy things to see in regard to it, but pretty much all cities will have their own T-34 tank on display.


This is almost spot on for Tula as well especially the Police corruption, been over many times and not had a second glance but I spend most of my time in Tula or Bogoroditsk. If driving do watch for the police checkpoints on the major roads though.

Mel
Posted 2015-08-05 9:07 AM (#64812 - in reply to #64811)
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I recently drove from Northerly Russia to southern Russia and back, a journey of some 6,000km return, on the main arterial roads.

Where previously there had been in the region of 20 or so police checkpoints, now I encountered 3-4.

Slowly but surely, they are all being removed.. 

Snokie
Posted 2017-04-24 11:19 AM (#90483 - in reply to #64775)
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In such cities as Moscow or St.Petersburg gaining around 30000 roubles/month is just making ends meet thing even having a prepaid appartment. You need to aim at least two times more of this.
However the salary you were offered for would work for some provincial town: Nizhny Novgorod, Tula...
SimonMayers
Posted 2017-08-14 8:12 AM (#91330 - in reply to #64775)
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The minimum cost of living (monthly) in Moscow in the first quarter of 2017 has been approved for the amount of 15 477 rubles. So you need to have a reasonable spending plan to avoid being in a deprivation situation
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