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crushedbybureaucracy
Posted 2016-06-29 8:51 AM (#82682)
Subject: Questions about TRP
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Hello everyone, I have a number of questions about the TRP and I'm struggling to find any reliable answers anywhere. So, here goes:

1.) What will the Russian authorities accept for proof of having no criminal record? Should I obtain a Police Certificate or a Subject Access request from the UK police?

2.) Can a medical certificate be obtained from a foreign hospital beforehand, or do I have to get one from a Russian medical institution only? I have heard that you now HAVE to get the medical checks in Russia, but on the official Migration Service (https://гувм.мвд.рф/gosuslugi/item/12896/) site it says something about an 'appropriate [medical] organ' in another country (?)

3.) Is the test for knowledge of Russian language/history/law required for ALL applicants for the TRP, or just those seeking work in Russia once they've received it? If I'm married to a Russian citizen or have a degree proving my knowledge of these subjects, do I have to take the test? (I have an undergraduate, masters and PhD specialising in Russian history and Russian language). And if the answer is still yes, where can I take the test and when? Are there special schools where you do it? Do I have to get a certificate for passing it which I then submit along with the application form, criminal record check and so forth?

4.) Once I have submitted my application for temporary residence and I am waiting for the response, am I free to enter and exit Russia using ordinary visas, obtained through the normal process? That is, if my current visa runs out and I haven't heard anything about the TRP, I am essentially able to get a new visa and just come back to Russia for the duration of the period while I'm waiting for confirmation/rejection? I have often done three-month visits to Russia back to back and I am hoping the submission of an TRP application will not affect this, as I can't really wait six months at home with my wife in Russia.

5.) If I leave Russia for more than 3 months, and my TRP is cancelled, can I apply for a new one? I'm not barred from ever doing one again?

6.) Do I have to have a copy of my university degree(s) (with apostille)? I have read about this on at least one forum, but the latest information on the official website gives no indication that this is required.

7.) Do I have to have all my documents (criminal record check, medical certificate, degrees) apostilled and notarised in my home country as well as translated?

8.) Do I need to get my passport translated and apostilled as well?

9.) How do I find out where to get my translations done (I heard this can only be done by a designated translator of the UFMS)? Do I have to get them translated before going to the authorities with my application form? Or can I go there with the form, and they will direct me to go to a translator)?

10.) I have heard that the translations of all the documents I need from English into Russian can only be done by an official translator working for the Russian Migration Service. Is this true? Or can I use any certified professional translator?

11.) I'm OK to use 3-month business visas when going to Russia to apply for the TRP? I don't have to use a private visa, do I? I read that somewhere but it seemed an unusual rule to me - I got married in Russia using a business visa recently.

12.) Assuming you only do the medical checks in Russia, does that mean that the first time I go to see the authorities about the TRP I need to take: my application form, passport + translation, wife's passport, our marriage certificate, my criminal record check and apostille + translations + certificate for passing the language test.

Finally, I was wondering if anyone has any experience of obtaining the TRP in cities other than Moscow, and whether it is harder to do so. (There is a strong possibility that I will apply for one in Kazan).

If anyone could answer any of these questions I would be immensely grateful.





Edited by crushedbybureaucracy 2016-06-29 9:18 AM
Rasboinik
Posted 2016-06-29 2:02 PM (#82704 - in reply to #82682)
Subject: RE: Questions about TRP


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" crushedbybureaucracy" Hello and Welcome to the forum.

I can answer some of your qustions.

1.) You will need to apply for a disclosure certificate and after you receive the Disclosure Certificate, the Cerfificate will have to be apostilled and then translated by a official translator accepted by the local UFMS.

2.) As far as I aware you will have to get the medical checks done in Russia.

3.) The test for Russian Language must be done in Russia.

4.) Yes until your TRP is issued by the UFMS you are free to apply for a regular visa and to travel to Russia (After I applied for my TRP I traveled to Russia using a business visa quite a few times)

5.) Sorry I cannot answer your 5th question. In my opinion if your TRP application is cancelled to be able to apply for a new TRP depends on why the application was cancelled.

Combined answer to questions 6.) + 7.) + 8.)
All the documents (apart from a Passport and a Drivers license) that are issued in a country that is not Russia must be Apostilled.
All the documents that are not in Russian (including a Passport) must be translated.

Combined answer to questions 9.) + 10.)
Get information about the qualified translators from the UFMS, in the City that you will be applying for your TRP. If you were applying in Yuzhno-Sakhalin then I could have of informed you about the translators that are accepted by the UFMS in Yuzhno-Sakhalin.

11.) In my experience traveling to Russia on a Business visa before you get your TRP is not a problem, before you get your TRP you cannot stay in Russia for more than 90 days.

12.) The UFMS will inform youabout the clinics that you will have to go to get the Medical certificates and after you get the Medical certificates you will have to return to the UFMS office and give them the Certificates.

I applied for a TRP in Yuzhno-Sakhalin, THE UFMS office in Yuzhno-Sakhalin said the application and all the Documents will have to be sent to Moscow for the application to be accepted.

You will probably get more information from another Forum Member Mel


Hope This Helps.

simon
Posted 2016-06-29 3:13 PM (#82705 - in reply to #82682)
Subject: Re: Questions about TRP
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Hi, I did my TRP a while ago. Prior to the language part being introduced. Ras is correct as far as I remember.

5) If you leave Russia for longer than 3 months and do NOT let the UFMS know, it is unlikely immigration would know upon your return. I was told that via UFMS themselves. It's still a little risky though.

As Ras stated, any document that's not Russian, get it Apostilled. Only get it translated in Russia. I had mine translated in the UK and they would not accept them for some reason.

I applied in St Pete's. I had to apply to the local UFMS where my wife is registered. It was a total nightmare. Staff were not familiar with the process for foreigners and often simply make up rules as they go. The queue's are ridiculous, the local office is shockingly poor and the local staff lacked training and it's massively under funded. Quite often arguments and fights broke out due to frustration and over crowding. Double and triple check you have ALL the documents they require, no spelling errors or crossing outs, as they will reject them.
Best of luck. Its not for the faint hearted !!!
IanJ
Posted 2016-06-29 4:57 PM (#82706 - in reply to #82682)
Subject: RE: Questions about TRP
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Hello,

I have recently applied (last month) for РВП in St Petersburg, so I can share my (somewhat fraught) experiences.
Answers embedded below.

First thing I would say is that we used an agency (in quite a plush lawyer's office) which turned out to be worth it.

One advantage of using the agency was that we had someone keep our place in the queue for the UFMS, and they gave us a lot of advice about filling in the paperwork.
We had to arrive at 7am and were told who we were behind in the queue.
Some people had been queuing overnight to be at the front of the queue!
The queue is full of angry people who are arguing about who's behind who!
You are herded by menacing-looking security guards who are openly racist to the people in the queue.
Turning up and taking my place in the queue didn't go down too well, but then people realised we had used an agency and I was from England, and everyone suddenly became more friendly - I'm not really sure why

Make sure you have checked *all* your documents carefully and have copies of the ones which need a copy!
They go through your paperwork with incredible attention to detail.
Anything wrong they will send you away with no mercy!
We had to go away and come back next day because one page in my wife's passport had a tear in it, and they insisted she get a new passport.

I was surprised that we didn't seem to have to show any evidence of income!

The fact I have a Russian wife seemed to go down very well - the agency said it would be a formality.

I don't know if it is the same elsewhere, but in SPB you need to allow at least half a day for the visit to the UFMS.

Oh, and make sure you have your registration paper with you and make sure it matches your passport and visa. We also had a last minute hiccup because my visa had my name transliterated as "ЯН" whereas when they translated my passport it was written as "ИАН".
This caused much sucking of teeth and shaking of heads and we had to get it changed which was a nightmare.

Also, one thing which the agency forgot, was that we need to pay a fee in advance (which Olga did from a payment terminal) and take the receipt with you - I think it was about 2,000-3,000Rub.

We did hear stories of people being on their 5th visit to the UFMS, so make sure everything is correct or they will take great pleasure in sending you away.

Best of luck!!

Ian




1.) What will the Russian authorities accept for proof of having no criminal record? Should I obtain a Police Certificate or a Subject Access request from the UK police?

I did Disclosure Scotland CRB check, which I then had to send back to them to get a signature of a real person on the certificate.
Russia likes signatures and stamps.
Disclosure Scotland are used to this process and it is documented on the Disclosure Scotland website.
I then got this notarised in Cambridge and got a "square" apostille from the Foreign Office (also done through notary).
I heard from the notary that Russian authorities sometimes insist on a precisely square apostille.
By this time a singe sheet of paper has turned into quite an impressive looking bundle of documents with ribbons and stamps on.
I then got this translated at Vosstaniya 6 in SPB which is an approved translation centre - everyone seemed to be getting docs translated there. It gets a nice stamp on, and signed by somebody important enough.

2.) Can a medical certificate be obtained from a foreign hospital beforehand, or do I have to get one from a Russian medical institution only? I have heard that you now HAVE to get the medical checks in Russia, but on the official Migration Service (https://гувм.мвд.рф/gosuslugi/item/12896/) site it says something about an 'appropriate [medical] organ' in another country (?)

I arranged my medical check through the agency. It took about one morning - I turned up, got given a number and waited with a whole load of other applicants. They took blood test, and then told me to go into the toilet for urine sample. They give you sample jar and you realise when you enter the toilet that you should leave your sample in the big pile of other sample jars piled up in the corner (getting a bit smelly!).
Certificate got sent back to agency about 2 days later with certification of "not being HIV positive".

3.) Is the test for knowledge of Russian language/history/law required for ALL applicants for the TRP, or just those seeking work in Russia once they've received it? If I'm married to a Russian citizen or have a degree proving my knowledge of these subjects, do I have to take the test? (I have an undergraduate, masters and PhD specialising in Russian history and Russian language). And if the answer is still yes, where can I take the test and when? Are there special schools where you do it? Do I have to get a certificate for passing it which I then submit along with the application form, criminal record check and so forth?

Now, here's where you should stop reading if you are squeamish about Russian corruption...........
Because we used an agency, a certificate of Russian language knowledge miraculously appeared without the need to actually do anything inconvenient like actually taking the test.
I didn't feel too bad about this, because when we finally went to the UFMS, there was a leaflet supplied by the UFMS themselves advertising that if you paid enough (around 25,000 Rub) you could choose the VIP service where a language certificate would be "provided for you" and you wouldn't have to suffer the indignity of queuing up with all the other applicants. Shame we saw this too late!


4.) Once I have submitted my application for temporary residence and I am waiting for the response, am I free to enter and exit Russia using ordinary visas, obtained through the normal process? That is, if my current visa runs out and I haven't heard anything about the TRP, I am essentially able to get a new visa and just come back to Russia for the duration of the period while I'm waiting for confirmation/rejection? I have often done three-month visits to Russia back to back and I am hoping the submission of an TRP application will not affect this, as I can't really wait six months at home with my wife in Russia.

Yes, I have been using my business visa to go backwards and forwards.


5.) If I leave Russia for more than 3 months, and my TRP is cancelled, can I apply for a new one? I'm not barred from ever doing one again?

Don't know about this one.

6.) Do I have to have a copy of my university degree(s) (with apostille)? I have read about this on at least one forum, but the latest information on the official website gives no indication that this is required.

Although I have a BSc and PhD I didn't have to provide any documents. I think the agency just wrote "higher education" on the form.
I didn't really understand how this worked, but didn't ask further!

7.) Do I have to have all my documents (criminal record check, medical certificate, degrees) apostilled and notarised in my home country as well as translated?

Best to do all translation in Russia.

8.) Do I need to get my passport translated and apostilled as well?

Get your passport copied (every page, including blank ones) and then translated in Russia.


9.) How do I find out where to get my translations done (I heard this can only be done by a designated translator of the UFMS)? Do I have to get them translated before going to the authorities with my application form? Or can I go there with the form, and they will direct me to go to a translator)?

See above

10.) I have heard that the translations of all the documents I need from English into Russian can only be done by an official translator working for the Russian Migration Service. Is this true? Or can I use any certified professional translator?

See above

11.) I'm OK to use 3-month business visas when going to Russia to apply for the TRP? I don't have to use a private visa, do I? I read that somewhere but it seemed an unusual rule to me - I got married in Russia using a business visa recently.

Yes, that's what I am doing.

12.) Assuming you only do the medical checks in Russia, does that mean that the first time I go to see the authorities about the TRP I need to take: my application form, passport + translation, wife's passport, our marriage certificate, my criminal record check and apostille + translations + certificate for passing the language test.

I also took medical certificate with me.


IanJ
Posted 2016-06-29 5:12 PM (#82707 - in reply to #82705)
Subject: Re: Questions about TRP
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simon - 2016-06-29 3:13 PM

I applied in St Pete's. I had to apply to the local UFMS where my wife is registered. It was a total nightmare. Staff were not familiar with the process for foreigners and often simply make up rules as they go. The queue's are ridiculous, the local office is shockingly poor and the local staff lacked training and it's massively under funded. Quite often arguments and fights broke out due to frustration and over crowding. Double and triple check you have ALL the documents they require, no spelling errors or crossing outs, as they will reject them.
Best of luck. Its not for the faint hearted !!!


Hello,

Are you in SPB often?

I have just applied for TRP and should get it in November this year.
We will be living in Ozerki just off Vyborgskoe Shosse.

Regards

Ian

crushedbybureaucracy
Posted 2016-06-29 7:00 PM (#82709 - in reply to #82682)
Subject: Re: Questions about TRP
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A huge thanks to everyone for your answers - I really appreciate the help navigating all this, it's been a nightmare trying to make sense of it up till now!

IanJ, could you please tell me the name of the agency you used?
Also when you say 'get your passport copied', do you mean I should literally submit a photocopy of every single page to the UFMS translator? Just wanted to check.

One other thing - and this is probably a very daft question - what exactly does getting something notarised involve? As I understand it's not the same thing as getting an Apostille for something...Can both processes be performed by the same person? I'm just thinking that my first priority right now is to get the disclosure form and my passport notarised and get an Apostille for both. I've read that there are agencies that can fast-track the Apostille process, so I might have to look into that. I've also heard that you don't need to submit your actual passport to get an Apostille for it - just a copy - is that true?


Apologies I have so many things to ask about :S
Mel
Posted 2016-06-29 8:08 PM (#82710 - in reply to #82709)
Subject: Re: Questions about TRP


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crushedbybureaucracy - 2016-06-30 12:00 AM A huge thanks to everyone for your answers - I really appreciate the help navigating all this, it's been a nightmare trying to make sense of it up till now! IanJ, could you please tell me the name of the agency you used? Also when you say 'get your passport copied', do you mean I should literally submit a photocopy of every single page to the UFMS translator? Just wanted to check. One other thing - and this is probably a very daft question - what exactly does getting something notarised involve? As I understand it's not the same thing as getting an Apostille for something...Can both processes be performed by the same person? I'm just thinking that my first priority right now is to get the disclosure form and my passport notarised and get an Apostille for both. I've read that there are agencies that can fast-track the Apostille process, so I might have to look into that. I've also heard that you don't need to submit your actual passport to get an Apostille for it - just a copy - is that true? Apologies I have so many things to ask about :S

 

I would suggest that you should just sit and reflect on the abundance of info given out above, then look at what further info that you need...

I did my TRP some 7.5yrs ago, and it took just under 2 months to be issued, today it takes 6 months, the UFMS have it ready quickly, but sit on it for the whole period to comply with the law, which states that a TRP must be completed in 6 months.

Things have only changed since I did mine in way of the language test, which is only required for those between the ages of 18 and 65, There are some offering false test certificates BUT woe betide those using said certificates if they get caught, you can do the test at Kazan federal uni, with your qualifications it should be a doddle, somewhere I have already posted them here, so do a search...

Kazan UFMS is from what I hear, a much easier place to make your application, I've heard many a bad thing about St P's...

Really, its so easy if you plan it right..  You can use an agency if you wish, but even then, there are no guarantees.. 

Things to get done in the UK before you come to Russia..

Police check, Apostiled in MK

If you married in the UK, then your marriage cert needs to be apostiled also.

If you intend to teach in Russia, then you will need to have your diploma's/certs apostiled, you will also need, for each Diploma/cert, a letter from the issuing uni/college, stating that you completed the course and passed the exam, and that you are the holder of the said certs/dips, which must also be apostiled.(this is required,by the Russian authorities who will look at your quals, and issue the equiv Russian quals, but without evidence from the uni/college, and apostile of both quals and evidence, they will not recognise anything

Get your visa and fly to Russia..

Get your visit registered.

Take the language test and get the cert. 

Translation of passport & Notarised. 

Translation of Police check and its apostile. & notarised

Translation of marriage cert and its apostile (If relevant). and Notarised.

All of which you pop down to your local UFMS with, fill out the application form, pay the pennies (2,000r I think).

You will then be given a list of requirements.

Away you go, to the recommended clinic, take all the tests, have an x ray, and a sobriety test, results available same day..

Back to the UFMS, hand the lot in all should be accepted stamped etc, etc, away you go and sit back and wait...

Whilst waiting, you can enter/exit Russia as you desire, within reason, they will check before issuing the TRP as to exactly how many days you spent in Russia during your wait, normally they will accept about 1-2 months absence from Russia during this time, possibly longer if you can get them to agree when you make the application, that you have some unfinished business back in the UK which may take a little time...

Anything else??

Ask away quickly as from Friday I am away for 2 weeks holiday and maybe the computer will not get invited...  

crushedbybureaucracy
Posted 2016-06-30 12:16 AM (#82712 - in reply to #82682)
Subject: Re: Questions about TRP
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Thank you very much for all the information and the thoughtfulness of your answers.

One thing I have thought of - am I correct in thinking that you can (eventually) receive a work permit once you have the TRP, but you will only be permitted to work in the area/city where you're received it (e.g. I wouldn't be able to find legal employment in Moscow if my TRP had been issued by the UFMS in Kazan)?

On a similar subject, is it also the case that I would HAVE to do my TRP through the UFMS where my wife has her propiska? The tricky thing is that she is currently registered to work/live legally in Moscow, but we are planning on moving to Kazan at the end of the year, and ideally I need to be able to seek legal employment in Kazan provided I get the TRP (I am not planning to teach, I would be working as a translator)... Our plan was to make my official place of residence for the TRP her family home in Kazan, for which we would of course have all the documentation to prove ownership and that the owners permit me to live there, and so on.

Mel
Posted 2016-06-30 4:42 AM (#82713 - in reply to #82712)
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crushedbybureaucracy - 2016-06-30 5:16 AM Thank you very much for all the information and the thoughtfulness of your answers. One thing I have thought of - am I correct in thinking that you can (eventually) receive a work permit once you have the TRP, but you will only be permitted to work in the area/city where you're received it (e.g. I wouldn't be able to find legal employment in Moscow if my TRP had been issued by the UFMS in Kazan)? On a similar subject, is it also the case that I would HAVE to do my TRP through the UFMS where my wife has her propiska? The tricky thing is that she is currently registered to work/live legally in Moscow, but we are planning on moving to Kazan at the end of the year, and ideally I need to be able to seek legal employment in Kazan provided I get the TRP (I am not planning to teach, I would be working as a translator)... Our plan was to make my official place of residence for the TRP her family home in Kazan, for which we would of course have all the documentation to prove ownership and that the owners permit me to live there, and so on.

 

Once you have a TRP, you apply for a work permit at the same UFMS, takes about 2 weeks max, and you can work, you will also need to register at the local tax office and pension fund, and health insurance..

I think that it may still be the case, that you can only work in the area where the TRP was issued, would need to check the law before I can 100% confirm.

Getting a TRP in Moscow is a real PIA, maybe better to get it straight away in Kazan, as you state that she plans to move to Kazan at the end of the year, which will, if you applied now, be about the time that your TRP would be issued.

If you do do it in Mos, then you would need to apply in Mos to transfer it to Kazan.

If you plan to work as a translator, will you work for yourself or for a company, so either a self employer or an employed?

I would also ask the question in Kazan UFMS, but I think that they would tell you to either apply for the TRP in mos, or wait until you are both in Kazan..

I do not know if your qualifications are compatible with a translators qualifications... 

IanJ
Posted 2016-07-01 12:11 AM (#82722 - in reply to #82709)
Subject: Re: Questions about TRP
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crushedbybureaucracy - 2016-06-29 7:00 PM

A huge thanks to everyone for your answers - I really appreciate the help navigating all this, it's been a nightmare trying to make sense of it up till now!

IanJ, could you please tell me the name of the agency you used?
Also when you say 'get your passport copied', do you mean I should literally submit a photocopy of every single page to the UFMS translator? Just wanted to check.

One other thing - and this is probably a very daft question - what exactly does getting something notarised involve? As I understand it's not the same thing as getting an Apostille for something...Can both processes be performed by the same person? I'm just thinking that my first priority right now is to get the disclosure form and my passport notarised and get an Apostille for both. I've read that there are agencies that can fast-track the Apostille process, so I might have to look into that. I've also heard that you don't need to submit your actual passport to get an Apostille for it - just a copy - is that true?


Apologies I have so many things to ask about :S



Hello,

To be honest I can't remember the name of the agency, but they are in SPB in Ulitsa Vosstaniya directly opposite Vosstaniya 6 where we got the translations done.

I just photocopied every page of my passport and got the whole thing translated by Vosstaniya 6.

I one to a local notary in the UK (found on the internet). They are authorised to certify that they have seen your passport to verify your identity, and then they do things like call Disclosure Scotland to verify that the CRB check is valid.
They put their stamp on your documents, and in my case he then sent it off to the Foreign Office to be apostilled.

Best of luck!

Ian

Mel
Posted 2016-07-01 7:00 AM (#82730 - in reply to #82722)
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IanJ - 2016-07-01 5:11 AM
crushedbybureaucracy - 2016-06-29 7:00 PM A huge thanks to everyone for your answers - I really appreciate the help navigating all this, it's been a nightmare trying to make sense of it up till now! IanJ, could you please tell me the name of the agency you used? Also when you say 'get your passport copied', do you mean I should literally submit a photocopy of every single page to the UFMS translator? Just wanted to check. One other thing - and this is probably a very daft question - what exactly does getting something notarised involve? As I understand it's not the same thing as getting an Apostille for something...Can both processes be performed by the same person? I'm just thinking that my first priority right now is to get the disclosure form and my passport notarised and get an Apostille for both. I've read that there are agencies that can fast-track the Apostille process, so I might have to look into that. I've also heard that you don't need to submit your actual passport to get an Apostille for it - just a copy - is that true? Apologies I have so many things to ask about :S
Hello, To be honest I can't remember the name of the agency, but they are in SPB in Ulitsa Vosstaniya directly opposite Vosstaniya 6 where we got the translations done. I just photocopied every page of my passport and got the whole thing translated by Vosstaniya 6. I one to a local notary in the UK (found on the internet). They are authorised to certify that they have seen your passport to verify your identity, and then they do things like call Disclosure Scotland to verify that the CRB check is valid. They put their stamp on your documents, and in my case he then sent it off to the Foreign Office to be apostilled. Best of luck! Ian

 

Why all the fuss and cost of a UK Notary, It is NOT a requirement of the Russian authorities for a TRP application, only Notarisation by a certified Russian Notary of translations of UK Apostiled documents, and UK passport translations are required to be Notarised..

Notarisation of UK Docs by a UK notary, does not make them legal, only an apostile makes them into a legal doc.. 

Getting docs apostiled in the UK is eazy peezy, one can do this themselves...just send it all to MK..  



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