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lion1
Posted 2009-09-29 5:25 PM (#26862)
Subject: dual citesenship travel advise
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Hello, i need advice from anyone who has dual British- Russian citesenship and travels to Russia. My question is- do i go with Russian passport and go back with British? This seem logical, but i read in Russian law, that you have to go with Russian passport and go back with Russian, because British passport is not recognised wile you are in Russia? i am confused...
Mel
Posted 2009-09-29 5:59 PM (#26863 - in reply to #26862)
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My Wife carries both of her passports, she enters Russia with her RU passport, leaves Russia on her RU passport, and enters UK on her UK passport...

Hope this helps you...

Michael
Posted 2009-09-29 8:27 PM (#26868 - in reply to #26863)
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Maybe this needs a 'permanent' place to offer the answer, since it is asked so often (no offence intended to a new visitor - welcome ...)

In summary:

1: there needs to be a passport in the name of the traveller / ticket holder. This simply identifies the person, and is checked by the airline

2: there needs to be permission to enter the travelling-to country: this can be visa, or native passport. This does not need to be the same document as above... you can get a boarding card against name/passport A but only if at the same time you show a permission-to-arrive (and this can be other-country passport B in different name - similar picture, of course!) This is checked by the airline.

3: Departing RUS, you need to show permission to be-there-and-to-leave: this can be (UK) passport with visa and second half of Migration card: or Russian international passport. At that check point they do not want to see whether you have a right to go in to where you are going - that has been done by the airline.

Departing UK, Passport Control rarely exists, but I suspect they would only check whether the traveller had the right to be in UK.


Others in this site will tell me / us what I have missed, but I am happy to confirm that recently I went from St P to HEL with my young son (and back). RUS passport to leave Russia on the train: British Passport to arrive into Finland: RUS passport to gain entry back into RUS, no visas required.

Michael
lion1
Posted 2009-09-29 11:48 PM (#26879 - in reply to #26868)
Subject: RE: dual citesenship travel advise
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Thank you for your answeres. Sorry for asking again, i just want to make sure i understand it correctly.

What really concerns me is LEAVING RUSSIA.

I don't have any visas in Russian passport (just renewed it ) and i think i don't need visa in British passport, as i am entering Russia with Ru passport. Am i correct?
So when leaving Russia do i show Russian passport with no visa or British one?

Oxana

Michael - 2009-09-29 8:27 PM

3: Departing RUS, you need to show permission to be-there-and-to-leave: this can be (UK) passport with visa and second half of Migration card: or Russian international passport. At that check point they do not want to see whether you have a right to go in to where you are going - that has been done by the airline.




Edited by lion1 2009-09-29 11:53 PM
Rasboinik
Posted 2009-09-30 1:59 AM (#26882 - in reply to #26879)
Subject: RE: dual citesenship travel advise


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Clarification.

Just to reiterate, Russia passport control is not concerned with where you are going or whether you have a legal right to go there (visa or country with visa free agreement), the only concern that Russian passport control have is that you have no legal issues that would prevent you from leaving Russia.
The airline that you are flying with may ask you to show your visa during the check in process depending on which name you used to book your tickets (married name - UK passport / Maiden name - Russian passport). You just show them your other passport (have a copy of your marriage certificate with you) and that is the end of that.



Just note that as a Russian citizen you must enter and leave Russia using your Russian passport it is Russian law

You enter and leave Russia with your Russian passport.
You enter the UK with your British passport.
As a dual citizen Russian / British.
You do not need a visa for Russia, in Russia you are Russian.
You do not need a visa for the UK, in the UK you are British.



Edited by Rasboinik 2009-09-30 2:03 AM
lion1
Posted 2009-10-01 8:59 AM (#26940 - in reply to #26882)
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I have the same ( maden ) name on both passports. So basically what i understand is: when LEAVING Russia i show my Russian passport ( no visas ) to boarder control people and my British one ( no visas ) to Airline, to proove my right to go to England.
Thank you everyone for making it clear.
nickomsk
Posted 2009-10-01 9:04 AM (#26942 - in reply to #26940)
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Going to Russia-Russian passport!!

Leaving Russia-Russian passport!!

Entering UK-UK Passport!!
TonyH
Posted 2009-10-01 9:09 AM (#26944 - in reply to #26862)
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Nick you have changed ! but like the hat...

thread made sticky !!!
nickomsk
Posted 2009-10-01 9:15 AM (#26945 - in reply to #26944)
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Posted 2009-10-01 10:05 AM (#26951 - in reply to #26862)
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You've been sitting in the sun too long Nick, you've shrunk!
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Posted 2009-10-01 10:07 AM (#26952 - in reply to #26862)
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Hang on a minute, if Oxana has got her Maiden name in the passports, how is she going to show a marriage cert?
Michael
Posted 2009-10-01 12:26 PM (#26957 - in reply to #26952)
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Surely you can be married and continue to use, to be known by, your maiden name.

In Russia, certainly, the marriage certificate - I have mine in front of me - declares which family name be, and she, separately, wish to be know under.

Michael
lion1
Posted 2009-10-01 1:56 PM (#26962 - in reply to #26957)
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And i just started to think i understand it...
Do i HAVE TO show my marriage certificate and WHY?
Michael
Posted 2009-10-01 3:04 PM (#26963 - in reply to #26962)
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I can't see why? The passport photo identifes you to the name it carries, whichever name it is. I don't think my wife carries here, and certainly I've never heard of it being called for.

Michael
Mel
Posted 2009-10-01 4:12 PM (#26971 - in reply to #26940)
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lion1 - 2009-10-01 1:59 PMI have the same ( maden ) name on both passports. So basically what i understand is: when LEAVING Russia i show my Russian passport ( no visas ) to boarder control people and my British one ( no visas ) to Airline, to proove my right to go to England.Thank you everyone for making it clear.
Got it in one.......
Mel
Posted 2009-10-01 4:15 PM (#26972 - in reply to #26962)
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lion1 - 2009-10-01 6:56 PMAnd i just started to think i understand it...Do i HAVE TO show my marriage certificate and WHY?
Maybe best to carry it with you, just in case you need it......
Mel
Posted 2009-10-01 4:17 PM (#26973 - in reply to #26945)
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nickomsk - 2009-10-01 2:15 PMHaha,put on a little weight,but hope the hat suits me
Hats crap, and your gotten yourself some wrinkles........lollooks like the suns also damaged your brain, it needs a nappy......lol
lion1
Posted 2009-10-02 8:56 AM (#27070 - in reply to #26862)
Subject: Re: dual citesenship travel advise
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Just out of interest... Could it be it be another way- simply to apply for visa and go to Russia as British citisen with Briish passport, or is it illegal, as i am still Russian citisen. I think i heard something like that...
Michael
Posted 2009-10-02 10:04 AM (#27071 - in reply to #27070)
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Yes it is. As a Russian citizen you have to use your Russian passport to enter and leave Russia.

Manny
Posted 2011-03-27 6:57 PM (#41988 - in reply to #26942)
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nickomsk - 2009-10-01 9:04 AM

Going to Russia-Russian passport!!

Leaving Russia-Russian passport!!

Entering UK-UK Passport!!


This is what my wife does as well. I once expected her different names in each passport to create an issue but it never has. As stated, the Russian border guards only care about your Russian passport as that is what you use to enter and leave Russia.

It is the job of the airline staff to check you have the right to enter your country of destination. Usually just waving the cover of a UK passport seems to do the trick there.
Rasboinik
Posted 2011-03-28 10:00 PM (#42012 - in reply to #27070)
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lion1 - 2009-10-02 6:56 PM

Just out of interest... Could it be it be another way- simply to apply for visa and go to Russia as British citisen with Briish passport, or is it illegal, as i am still Russian citisen. I think i heard something like that...


For further explanation you may want to read this thread http://www.realrussia.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3289&p...
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