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gary
Posted 2012-08-04 8:44 PM (#52216)
Subject: New airline bids for London/Moscow
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May be of interest to some of you.

As we know bmi's demise is due in October, BA have already re-designated bmi Moscow flights prefixed BA, however they have to give up certain routes as a condition of their take-over of bmi, one of those is the 14 weekly slot pairs belonging to bmi serving Moscow.

These have been available for another UK carrier to bid for, the closing date for those bids has now passed. Three airlines have applied for these. Easyjet to serve Moscow from Gatwick, BA to serve Moscow from Gatwick, although I cannot see BA getting these as it would still mean they have the monopoly as the only British carrier serving Russia, but who knows. The other is Virgin Atlantic serving Moscow from Heathrow.

The date for decision as to who gets these slots is by 2nd October, with services starting by the new carrier early 2013.

My money (and hopes, although I cannot say why is Virgin Atlantic) but time will tell.
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Posted 2012-08-05 8:41 PM (#52245 - in reply to #52216)
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I hope its not BA, Easyjet could be interesting though.
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Posted 2012-08-05 9:21 PM (#52256 - in reply to #52245)
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muffy - 2012-08-05 8:41 PM

Easyjet could be interesting though.

Yep...I can just picture all those Russians scrambling around in the bun fight to try and be first to get those first come first served seats
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Posted 2012-08-05 10:34 PM (#52264 - in reply to #52256)
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Yep, you took the words right out of my mouth-I was avoiding that at the moment! Would be a sight to behold, bad enough at the gates with allocated seating, let alone the Easyjet free for all scrum!

However could be interesting, the first low cost, no frills budget airline serving Moscow. Somehow though I just cannot see your average Russian businessman going for it. Part of the pre condition is they must code share with either Aeroflot or Transaero, so if someone books business or vip or whatever and part of their flight is a scrum, I can't see them being to pleased. Unless of course Easyjet change their role model and go for allocated seats, dual cabins etc., but then it won't be a budget airline anymore.

Also Easyjet have never code shared before so this is really all new groiund for them.
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Posted 2012-08-05 11:11 PM (#52265 - in reply to #52216)
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Virgin and Aeroflop???
Don't think so. Aeroflot don't fly into DME and Eastline, who own DME, might not be comfortable having the state airline parking their rusty tanks on the runway.
Virgin and Transaero might work though.
Can't imagine flying to Moscow with Easyjet. Any carrier to Moscow would have to offer business class.
BA from Gatwick could still be workable if Virgin don't feel like sharing.
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Posted 2012-08-05 11:28 PM (#52266 - in reply to #52265)
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Virgin will take the slots that are at the moment allocated to bmi, so the the code share will be with Transaero.

It's the Russian government basically demanding that whatever airline gets the route must code share with either Aeroflot or Transaero.

Interestingly BA have already been given slots at SVO should they get the route. Makes you wonder....

As yet Easyjet are tight lipped about what airport they would fly into. Or of course they don't know!!

Edited by gary 2012-08-05 11:33 PM
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Posted 2012-08-09 2:58 PM (#52297 - in reply to #52266)
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I traveled with Easyjet once and I hope that I will never have to do it again. In the end it wasn't really much cheaper than any regular airline since they charge you for all kinds of things. The boarding was just horrible, everyone wanted to be the first in line and we took off 30 minutes late because at least 5 people had baggages that exceeded the allowed dimensions...
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Posted 2012-08-10 8:37 PM (#52310 - in reply to #52216)
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http://www.routesonline.com/news/36/the-hub/157691/easyjet-ba-amp-v...
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Posted 2012-10-24 10:56 PM (#53412 - in reply to #52216)
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Malcolm
Posted 2012-10-25 12:21 AM (#53413 - in reply to #53412)
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gareththomas79 - 2012-10-24 10:56 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222634/Branson-loses-Russi...

Bad decision.
The CAA are obviously taking orders from Downing St.

Easyjet promise a return fare of £125. Yeah right. This is before the extra charge for each bag, for checking in, for using a credit card, for food and drinks etc, etc...

I'll stick with BA, thanks all the same.

Edited by Malcolm 2012-10-25 12:22 AM
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Posted 2012-10-25 4:19 AM (#53415 - in reply to #52216)
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Im with you all the way on that Malcolm BA do an excellent service to Moscow. The service is excellent the food is very good and there is the free alcohol. Also the use a 747 so the leg room is huge which is actually the most important thing for me. Although i would have liked to see Virgin have a pop at it I use their train services a lot when im in the UK and that is excellent too, ive never flown with them.

With BA I can usually get one way through Moscow to NSK for £200 with S7 as the domestic flight and sometimes as cheap as £170 if im brave enough to leave it to the very last minute. Its crazy because its usually £450 to buy a return.
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Posted 2012-10-25 10:32 AM (#53418 - in reply to #52216)
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I think the £125 return is also a little misleading. Even on the Easyjet site on the announcement it quotes fares will start from. Not limited to.

"Fares will start from as little £125 return - compared to current fares of over £1000 for an economy ticket - and will be on sale in the coming weeks on easyJet.com

The four hour flights will depart London at 07:00 and 14:00 each day departing Moscow at 14:40 and 21:40.
Malcolm
Posted 2012-10-25 11:34 AM (#53419 - in reply to #52216)
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£1000 for an economy ticket, who with?
BA is around £275 return and BMI were £230 when I flew to DME three weeks ago.

I don't think Easyjet (there's an oxymoron if ever I saw one) will be selling tickets for £125 all in.

And just for the record, Gatwick isn't in London, unlike Heathrow which is.
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Posted 2012-10-25 1:04 PM (#53420 - in reply to #53419)
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Malcolm - 2012-10-25 11:34 AM

£1000 for an economy ticket, who with?
BA is around £275 return and BMI were £230 when I flew to DME three weeks ago.

I don't think Easyjet (there's an oxymoron if ever I saw one) will be selling tickets for £125 all in.

And just for the record, Gatwick isn't in London, unlike Heathrow which is.


Only ever paid £500 once for Edinburgh-Amsterdam-Moscow-Sochi at the end of June, most of my recent Edinburgh-Hub airport-Moscow journies have been under the £300 mark with my most recent costing £150 per person.
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Posted 2012-10-25 1:15 PM (#53421 - in reply to #52216)
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Seems people are forgetting that this is all about the marketing - EasyJet are following 'best practice' and quoting their best return price against the worst they can find for BA/Aeroflot etc.

BA return flight from London/Moscow is just over £1000 if the return journey is less than 7 nights. Aeroflot run the same scam, although the timeframe is less it requires you to stay the Sunday night. EasyJet for their many sins do not currently run this scam.

Unfortunately EasyJet won't be up and running before the fiancee is due to come live in the UK - so it appears I will have to buy a return ticket; which is significantly cheaper than a on-way.

Any advice as to alternatives would be useful - although I am not after her taking the grand tour of the European hubs in search of saving a few pounds or indeed having to get a transit visa.

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Malcolm
Posted 2012-10-25 1:32 PM (#53422 - in reply to #52216)
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If your fiance is a seasoned air traveller then changing planes is OK (you don't need a transit visa) but I would stick to BA if I were you. Much better than Aeroflot and Domodedovo is far easier and better than the monstrosity that is Sheremetyevo.
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Posted 2012-10-25 1:45 PM (#53423 - in reply to #52216)
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And who is Easyjet going to codeshare with? They must codeshare with a Russian airline as part of the conditions. This will be totally new ground for them as they have never codeshared before. Virgin already have a codeshare with Transaero.

I don't think this has been properly thought through.

I can see them ending up more expensive than BA once you add the extras on, just take a look at some of their flight prices on their site. Their 'start from' means just that.
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Posted 2012-10-25 1:55 PM (#53424 - in reply to #52216)
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Well having used both airports to travel London - Moscow- Krasnodar I would have to disagree with you - found Sheremetyevo a much easier experience. About 25 minutes from walking off the London flight to sitting a the gate waiting for the domestic (including passport control, collect bags, customs, check- in, domestic security and short walk to the gate) the one time through Domodedovo was 1.5 hours and as it was a code-share it was anything other than seamless - never again. And, strangely for this forum, I was very happy with the service from Aeroflot - wider seats than everyone else for a start and for someone my size that extra half inch equals significantly more comfort.

When I said about a transit visa I was talking about transiting through a European hub, as others have mentioned above. She can go Krasnodar - Vienna - London or I believe they are setting up a flight via Frankfurt/Munich not sure which - I believe a transit visa would be required for these.

gary
Posted 2012-10-25 2:10 PM (#53425 - in reply to #52216)
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Maybe this answers it, although the 'in principal' bit could be a problem. I think they should have been forced to have it in place before being awarded the flights. These talks could take very long time.

http://www.routes-news.com/news/item/744-easyjet-set-to-sign-first-...
Malcolm
Posted 2012-10-25 2:37 PM (#53427 - in reply to #53424)
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Devi - 2012-10-25 1:55 PM

Well having used both airports to travel London - Moscow- Krasnodar I would have to disagree with you - found Sheremetyevo a much easier experience. About 25 minutes from walking off the London flight to sitting a the gate waiting for the domestic (including passport control, collect bags, customs, check- in, domestic security and short walk to the gate) the one time through Domodedovo was 1.5 hours and as it was a code-share it was anything other than seamless - never again. And, strangely for this forum, I was very happy with the service from Aeroflot - wider seats than everyone else for a start and for someone my size that extra half inch equals significantly more comfort.

When I said about a transit visa I was talking about transiting through a European hub, as others have mentioned above. She can go Krasnodar - Vienna - London or I believe they are setting up a flight via Frankfurt/Munich not sure which - I believe a transit visa would be required for these.



My mistake, I assumed your fiance would be flying from Moscow to London.
If she's starting at Krasnodar it's a different story.

I'd still recommend a direct flight from Moscow rather than change in Vienna or elsewhere though. BA would be my choice but it depends on whether the Krasnodar flight goes to DME or SVO.
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Posted 2012-10-25 3:16 PM (#53428 - in reply to #52216)
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I would agree that Moscow - London is best bet - that is what we have always done. Although I thought about the Vienna route out of Birmingham as it is an easy train journey from Bristol (and reasonable priced compared to Heathrow) - but in the end the horror stories my fiancee was told about immigration at Krasnodar 'International' made me ditch the idea.

Krasnodar flies to both in Moscow, Krasnodar seems to fly to most places in Russia but anything outside, other than a few summer charters, are few and far between.

Next bit is hopefully an answer from someone as to how to get reasonably priced one-way tickets.
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Posted 2012-10-27 6:06 AM (#53433 - in reply to #53428)
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Devi - 2012-10-25 3:16 PM

I would agree that Moscow - London is best bet - that is what we have always done. Although I thought about the Vienna route out of Birmingham as it is an easy train journey from Bristol (and reasonable priced compared to Heathrow) - but in the end the horror stories my fiancee was told about immigration at Krasnodar 'International' made me ditch the idea.

Krasnodar flies to both in Moscow, Krasnodar seems to fly to most places in Russia but anything outside, other than a few summer charters, are few and far between.

Next bit is hopefully an answer from someone as to how to get reasonably priced one-way tickets.


I usually get a cheap single searching either sky scanner opodo or last minute like I said above flying from Novosibirsk I usually pay£200 single nsk-msk-london but if search for a return I usually get offered £500 - 550 so I buy two singles and save 100 -150. This is with s7 and BA. I don't usually fly with aeroflot for the only reason they usually quote me outrageous prices.

I quite often wait till the day before I plan to fly before I book my ticket. Maybe this is why aeroflot are so expensive, I fly every three months or so.
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Posted 2012-10-27 10:15 AM (#53435 - in reply to #52216)
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Many thanks for this - a quick check on Opodo gives me a price of £154.20 Krasnodar-Moscow-LHR with S7 (although it says Ghana Airways for the internal leg!) and BA.

That should save a chunk - no doubt to be paid on extra baggage charges as this will be the flight she moves over to the UK on.
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Posted 2012-10-27 10:25 AM (#53436 - in reply to #53428)
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Devi - 2012-10-25 3:16 PM

I would agree that Moscow - London is best bet - that is what we have always done. Although I thought about the Vienna route out of Birmingham as it is an easy train journey from Bristol (and reasonable priced compared to Heathrow) - but in the end the horror stories my fiancee was told about immigration at Krasnodar 'International' made me ditch the idea.

Krasnodar flies to both in Moscow, Krasnodar seems to fly to most places in Russia but anything outside, other than a few summer charters, are few and far between.

Next bit is hopefully an answer from someone as to how to get reasonably priced one-way tickets.



Seems that you have the same 'problems' as us at Minvody next door. Being Newcastle-based, UTR/BA via St Pete worked a treat last month. My first on BA, which I found very nice (seats). Therefore EasyJet in Gatwick does not excite.

What does interest is that Jet2 are starting all-in weekend breaks to St Pete from Newcastle. Could this develop one day into scheduled flights?

In my dreams.
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Posted 2012-10-27 1:55 PM (#53437 - in reply to #53435)
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Devi - 2012-10-27 10:15 AM

Many thanks for this - a quick check on Opodo gives me a price of £154.20 Krasnodar-Moscow-LHR with S7 (although it says Ghana Airways for the internal leg!) and BA.

That should save a chunk - no doubt to be paid on extra baggage charges as this will be the flight she moves over to the UK on.



Always says Ghana airways ))))
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