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dswass
Posted 2019-05-16 1:34 PM (#120154)
Subject: TRP Help please
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Hi all,

Just received my business visa and heading out on June 22nd. Going to apply for the TRP as soon as I can. I know there is lots of info on here but not sure if it is all up to date. So my questions are:

1. What exactly do I need to take with me from the UK, document wise?
2. What exactly do I need document wise after I arrive?
3. How long does the TRP process take approximately?

Be really good to hear from anyone who has had recent experience of this also

Thanks guys
Mel
Posted 2019-05-17 8:57 PM (#120160 - in reply to #120154)
Subject: Re: TRP Help please


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Hi and welcome here,
Its a long time since I did my TRP so my info may be a little dated, though things do not seem to have changed much.
From the UK, you will need a police document (cannot remember what its called these days) which will also need to be Apostle from Milton Keynes. This has a time limit of something like 90 days, there after it will need to be renewed.
In Russia, when you make the application for a TRP, you will need to have passed/pass a Russian language/political/history test in a registered establishment.
You will also need to have your passport and the police document translated and Notarised.
You will also need to supply medical evidence, i.e. HIV test, TB x-ray, Sobriety/drugs test, along with photocopies of passport (all pages), copy of Immigration doc and copy of registration.
I am not certain, but depending where you intend to reside, you may also be within a "Quota" system.
Once the application requirements for a TRP have been satisfied in full, the issue takes about 6 months from the date of acceptance.
A TRP is valid for 3 years, thereafter you will need a PRV, which should be applied for at least 6 months before the expiry of the TRP, though one can make the application after the first year I believe..
Its difficult to give more detailed advice as I don't know where you wish to live, nor if you are married to a RU citizen, which can alleviate the situation a little in some cases..
Hope this helps..
dswass
Posted 2019-05-21 8:06 PM (#120178 - in reply to #120160)
Subject: Re: TRP Help please
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Hi Mel,

Thanks so much for the info. I will not be married so will be going by the quota route. Still not clear on some things, maybe you dont know but can I apply at any time during the year? Or should it be done in January when the quota is refreshed?

Really is difficult to get any clear information
Mel
Posted 2019-05-22 5:23 AM (#120180 - in reply to #120178)
Subject: Re: TRP Help please


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Hi, As far as I read on the FMS website, apart from the "Russian language requirement", nothing else has changed since I did my TRP. The quota system really only applies to the big cities, and is usually decided in January, but released on a monthly basis, so there should be no need for you to do the deed in January. I applied way away from Moscow and they didn't even have a quota system. You may well find, that because you are Not one of the many FSU applicants, you may be exempted from the quota system altogether. Where do you plan to go, Moscow or somewhere else? Most importantly, you MUST do the language test first of all, without this, your application will not even pass GO.. HTH..

Edited by Mel 2019-05-22 5:25 AM
yoshkarola
Posted 2019-05-22 6:59 AM (#120181 - in reply to #120154)
Subject: Re: TRP Help please


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Hi hope you ok. As regions can vary a bit i would ask your girlfriend to go to the local
FMS in her city and take a photo of the documents required for Temporary residency. I am in Yoshkar Ola. Not sure where you are applying? Theres a list on a notice board in the FMS.. The Police disclosure you can get online from Police Criminal Records office in uk. ( It used to be disclosure Scotland but if you live in England you cant apply there now). When you get the disclosure you have go send it to the gov apostle office in Milton Keyes, they usually return it within a couple of days. When i applied again last December they said theres a new law that if you working they will need to see any certificates or diplomas you may have for work. These would have to be translated. Cheaper to translate these in your girlfriends city rather than uk. The medical test FMS will give you the address of the clinic to take the test. Mainly blood and urine. Quite painless. What i did was enter Russia on a private visa after a month applied for TRP then went back to uk for a month, then got another three month private visa which meant i was in Russia to get the TRP approval and collect it from FMS. Its usually after 5 months when you hear that you have been approved for a Temporary Residence Permit
A TRP usually takes about six months from the date the application is submitted to be approved. The permit is good for three years, but it must be authenticated every year. You are restricted to residing only in the region that issued your TRP and must obtain a work permit to work outside the region of residence. If you leave Russia, you will have to apply for a single exit/entry visa and must return within six months.

To apply for a TRP, you will need to supply the following documents:

An application
Two photographs
A valid passport
Proof of income
Certificate of no criminal record from the country of permanent residence
Medical documentation proving you are not carrying HIV or any infectious diseases, nor are addicted to any drugs
Documentation confirming that the applicant is eligible for the simplified procedure of obtaining the temporary residence permit (such applicant is not required to obtain a quota in order to apply for the temporary residence)
Document confirming Russian language skills and knowledge of Russian history and the basics of the legislation of the Russian Federation
Hope this helps. At the end of the day its just paperwork. Good luck. Dave.
dswass
Posted 2019-05-23 11:01 PM (#120185 - in reply to #120154)
Subject: Re: TRP Help please
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Thanks guys, really invaluable info! I will be applying in Moscow. I''m a little confused regarding the apostille issue. So I get my certificate of no criminal record and then send it to MK for the apostille.....and then when I get to Moscow get it translated. Is the UK apostille still valid as it will only be on the English version and not the translated document?
yoshkarola
Posted 2019-05-24 4:27 AM (#120186 - in reply to #120154)
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Hi. I got my disclosure from disclosure Scotland, ( since last year if you live in England you cant use them only if you live in Scotland ).
When i recieved mine it wasnt signed so i had to send it back to be signed. They did this free of charge and took about two days to get back. I think the disclosure had a life of three months from date of issue to date of applying for the TRP.
I got all my translations done in Russia only becausee it was a lot cheaper.
Also make sure the original disclosure and the translation are attached together with the lawyers seal. Mine was seperated and FMS rejected it so i had to go back to the translator to get them attached. It was then accepted.
Mel
Posted 2019-05-24 5:26 AM (#120187 - in reply to #120185)
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dswass - 2019-05-24 4:01 AMThanks guys, really invaluable info! I will be applying in Moscow. I''m a little confused regarding the apostille issue. So I get my certificate of no criminal record and then send it to MK for the apostille.....and then when I get to Moscow get it translated. Is the UK apostille still valid as it will only be on the English version and not the translated document?


That's correct.
As YO states, best to get translations done by a FMS recognised translator when in Moscow.
Dependant upon which area you will be registered in, the quota allowance may be different to other areas.
I am not exactly sure, but I think that now there is a center specifically for TRP/PRV applications for the whole of Moscow, I can find out if this is correct if you wish, and where it is, but its on the FMS website also.
HTH.
Mel
Posted 2019-05-24 5:27 AM (#120188 - in reply to #120186)
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yoshkarola - 2019-05-24 9:27 AMHi. I got my disclosure from disclosure Scotland, ( since last year if you live in England you cant use them only if you live in Scotland ).When i recieved mine it wasnt signed so i had to send it back to be signed. They did this free of charge and took about two days to get back. I think the disclosure had a life of three months from date of issue to date of applying for the TRP.I got all my translations done in Russia only becausee it was a lot cheaper. Also make sure the original disclosure and the translation are attached together with the lawyers seal. Mine was seperated and FMS rejected it so i had to go back to the translator to get them attached. It was then accepted.


Surely you mean Notary seal and not Lawyers seal??
yoshkarola
Posted 2019-05-24 8:13 AM (#120189 - in reply to #120154)
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Hi Mel. Hope you are well. Sorry for the confusion. What i meant was by tying the pages together with a ribbon, and pouring wax over the ribbon's knot. If the document were to be notarized, the notary would press his official seal into the wax, thereby sealing the pages of the document together.
Mine was rejected by FMS as the translated document wasnt attached to the original disclosure. FMS said they should be sealed together and not seperate documents. I took it back and it was sorted in a few minutes.
dswass
Posted 2019-05-25 10:00 AM (#120211 - in reply to #120154)
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and this notary can be done by a Russian lawyer?
yoshkarola
Posted 2019-05-25 3:01 PM (#120213 - in reply to #120154)
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https://www.gov.uk/get-document-legalised
Its done in MK
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Posted 2019-05-27 2:26 PM (#120318 - in reply to #120154)
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Heres some info on What is a Notary.
https://www.thenotariessociety.org.uk/pages/what-is-a-notary
Mel
Posted 2019-05-28 1:09 PM (#120369 - in reply to #120318)
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There are 2 different subjects here.
1, Apostille of a UK document. This must be done by the FO in MK.
2, Notary, as in YO's info above, the Notary certifies that the work done is correct and corresponds to the subjected matter.
Neither of these are Lawyers, although a Lawyer can take a Notary Degree as a further education, pass the relevant exams and become a Notary.
Mel
Posted 2019-05-28 1:11 PM (#120370 - in reply to #120211)
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dswass - 2019-05-25 3:00 PMand this notary can be done by a Russian lawyer?


Normally, a translator in Russia has a Notary on hand to do the said work, and you receive everything back completed.
dswass
Posted 2019-05-29 2:32 PM (#120381 - in reply to #120154)
Subject: Re: TRP Help please
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Thanks a lot guys, been a massive help! Ordered my police certificate yesterday and will send it off to MK for the apostille when it arrives. Going to get the translation then notary done in Moscow as soon as I arrive. Wish me luck!
dswass
Posted 2019-05-29 2:36 PM (#120382 - in reply to #120154)
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Just one more thing, you said 'Proof of income'? Obviously I'm not allowed to work on my business visa. Is it sufficient to show available funds of my UK bank account? That I can support myself
Mel
Posted 2019-05-30 7:20 PM (#120387 - in reply to #120154)
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From what I can remember, they want statements printed by your UK bank, signed and stamped, which also needed to be apostilled in MK, which to me was just a costly PIA, so to circumvent this, I entered Russia with a few grand cash which I quickly opened a Sberbank acc, got a printed statement from them, and used this as proof that I was self sufficient. All must have been ok with them as my TRP was done and dusted in less than 2 months. Applied 26/12, got the TRP 08/02. (there was also 12 days New Years hols in this time).

Edited by Mel 2019-05-30 7:23 PM
yoshkarola
Posted 2019-05-31 1:39 PM (#120393 - in reply to #120154)
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This may or may not help you?
https://transferwise.com/gb/blog/opening-a-bank-account-in-russia
yoshkarola
Posted 2019-06-19 8:50 AM (#120620 - in reply to #120154)
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Hi Dswass.
I see you are off in a couple of days. Good luck with your application.. Please give us an update as to how things are going as often people ask questions but never feedback to let people know if their problem was resolved. Good luck.
dswass
Posted 2019-07-01 2:45 PM (#120644 - in reply to #120154)
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Hi Guys, thanks again for all the info! Had to delay my arrival for personal reasons, flying out on Sat. Received my police certificate, however it doesn't say my passport no. on it, is this a problem? Yes for sure will keep you updated
Mel
Posted 2019-07-01 3:28 PM (#120645 - in reply to #120644)
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Stop worrying, all will be ok..
I always found the FMS to be extremely helpful in all of my dealings with them..
I don't remember my police cert that well now, but am pretty sure that they do not include your passport No on it..
Keep us informed, good luck..
Mel
Posted 2019-07-01 3:32 PM (#120646 - in reply to #120382)
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dswass - 2019-05-29 7:36 PM Just one more thing, you said 'Proof of income'? Obviously I'm not allowed to work on my business visa. Is it sufficient to show available funds of my UK bank account? That I can support myself


Yes it is but you should show a printed and translated official and stamped bank statement showing that funds have been accumulated over a min 6-12 month period.
I bought 5k with me and as soon as I was registered in Ru, opened a bank acc with Sberbank, and got a statement showing the funds, it was enough for the FMS.
yoshkarola
Posted 2019-07-02 6:06 PM (#120650 - in reply to #120154)
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Hi re Police Cert. You dont need passport details on it. The main thing is that you submit your TRP application i think?
within three months of the date of issue of the Police Cert.
Mel
Posted 2019-07-03 7:04 AM (#120651 - in reply to #120650)
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yoshkarola - 2019-07-02 11:06 PM Hi re Police Cert. You dont need passport details on it. The main thing is that you submit your TRP application i think? within three months of the date of issue of the Police Cert.


Correct, the police Cert only has a 90 day life, after which, you will need a new one..
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